Lets just remember this is all guess work but by the fact that Leeds have offered Senior a deal I would guess McDermott is ok with him coming back unless McDermott said no and GH over ruled him or GH didn't even inform him.

I doubt either of those happened, Just by stories in the rl press I get the impression that GH & BM have a very good working relationship and he stood by McDermott all this year when he had ample chance to get shut.

A pay as you play deal seems sensible but I'd rather not have Senior hanging around the club.

He's been a negative influence with his media profile, digs at the management and insatiable ego. We don't need him now with Hardaker, Watkins, Delaney and Ablett all offering more in that position than his last showings in the blue and amber.

Hopefully the deal means that he will only be used to cover injuries, not to flatter his ego to clock up appearances etc to be the longest serving player in the SL era.

A U-turn from the club is quite surprising. It could indicate a change of plan following Hardaker taking to the centre position (i.e. we're no longer signing an experienced aussie, so Keith can provide cover in case the kids don't work out). It could also suggest we've missed out on a bigger signing in the centre position.

Oh god!!! We are fooking champions and its still tampons at 20 paces for Gotcha and G

Not 2005, Peacock was in his last season at Bradford then.

True, True, hence the question mark. Was it 2006 then?

Great saying, very funny. Going to use that one.

In professional sport with jobs at stake potentially I would like to think a little internal spat from 6 hrs ago would not have any bearing on the team and management now!

feel free i just came up with it 2/3rds of the way through a bottle of red!

im gonna use it!

Personally I’d be happy to see Keith Senior back on a pay as you go deal where he has to fight for his place. One of the biggest problems since 2006 has been complacency in the team where some players can play mediocre against mediocre teams and still come out on top. The only time we tend to see efforts that entertain are when it matters in the challenge cup and the play offs. When in reality we should see entertainment on the field all season long.

Ok we don’t want a season like Warrington’s where efforts become almost fruitless. But surely season ticket holders deserve better than some of the dross that has been served on at Headingley from time to time. Now I think that a deal like Keith Senior’s could address this problem because if the likes of Kallum Watkins and Zak Hardaker aren’t pulling there weigh then they’ll be a determined Keith Senior waiting in the ranks who has some critics to prove wrong. Yes Keith Senior has been ‘passed it’ for a while now but I’m sure he’s still capable of some good performances if he comes back to the rhinos. I feel that fighting for his place will re-energise him.

Hopefully these ‘pay as you go’ deals are the start of many for players at the Rhinos coming to the end of their careers. For example wouldn’t it be awesome if Jamie Peacock in a couple of years’ time was they waiting in the sidelines for the likes of Brad Singleton and Kyle Amor (if he’s still here by then) to run out of form? Lets just hope that if Keith comes back his time here is used wisely rather than abused as some fear because Keith is mates with Gary.

Finally whatever gets said in the media and Keith Seniors book is hot air. In order for things to sell then some uncomfortable things need to be out in the open. It certainly doesn’t warrant grudges between the two parties involved nor does it warrant petty airs and graces. Hopefully more players will say things in the media because it’ll get our game much more exposure. Nothing is ever too controversial to not eventually blow over. For example (ok this is a bad one) anti-rugby league journalist don’t spend they time talking about Joel ‘woof’ Monaghan one off unsavoury activity that took place over a year ago now.

When ever and what ever it was both parties got on with it and it didn't exactly affect moral from '07 onwards.

Only if we don't consider him good enough for Leeds. In which case you're welcome to him. It's up to Kyle and his level of ambition.

As for Keef - I don't mind if this deal gives him the incentive to get back to fitness. Would you be bothered with no deal on the table? If he proves himself again then even if Leeds don't offer a 'proper' contact some other club might. Good luck to him I say. It's not like SL is overrun with quality centres.

Unless it's part of Brian's masterplan...

Get the coaching job at Leeds, get Senior on pay per play, then make the bastrad really suffer for the 2006 fight he had with Peacock.

No, that's not what you said. You were implying that Senior still being in the squad would have a serious detrimental effect on squad unity & morale and that that was a "stone cold fact".

Also as for your point about Hardaker, you do realise Senior & Hardaker are friends don't you?

What a complete and utter lier you are.

This is the point you debted the factual at, at what I said was factual.

I have no issues with Senior on a pay as you play. He will provide experience for the younger ones.

As for what he has said, not said - How about, he held is hand up and learnt from the experience and maybe he was forgiven.

This offer surely only proves the unity of a championship team that you can make mistakes and be given a second chance.

The big issue is whether Keith can afford to risk not playing. I expect him to be very gracious of the offer, politely decline - Have his swansong on Boxing day and leave Leeds on the right and deserved note.

Has anyone read the link Rhinoms put on page 1 of the thread?



How on earth could anyone get their knickers in a twist over GHs handling of this.

Basically, he's saying, up yours keith. We've looked after you. You went for big bucks at Crusaders and it fell through. However, here's something as recognition of what you've given us but if you can get better elsewhere feel free.

The criticism Hetherington gets from idiots who couldn't even tie their shoe laces is mind boggling when you look at his track record.

Griffin head and shoulders above Moore and probably our best prop this season, sorry to see him go and think he will go well for you.

Too right you fooooking loser! Now back your own board this is the home of the record braking champions! Aaaaaarrrrrrrhhhhhh!

Realistic appraisal has no place on this board, certainly where some posters are concerned. Return to jerking your knees at once.

If Senior does take up the offer, exactly how many games does anyone think he'll play next year assuming Hardaker, Watkins and Ablett retain reasonable levels of fitness?

Good point, not many! Mac should play him at prop for his insubordination!

Fair enough.

The Hudds fans seem pretty gutted he's leaving, which is always a good sign anyway.

More than happy to have Keith on board for 2012. Knows the squad, knows the club. I agree Hardaker & Watkins should be first choice, but we've yet to see Watkins complete a season. Also, if it doesnt work out there contractual obligations for either party to worry about. Sensible & affordable move - good work GH. As for salary cap constraints, i'd be amazed if we're anywhere near the cap limit next year

GH has stated the club intends spending the full cap in 2012.I am still anticipating a major signing

I agree with you but in what position?