Don't think there's any chance of a change before those games, let's face it we are not expected to pick up anything from those games anyway. Two losses against Hull though (the second game now being a season definer) would surely force GH's hand??

Hethrington's hand will be forced if he sees a sea of empty seats at the Hull game. It'll dawn on him that season ticket renewals will be down, result, bye bye McDermott and Lowes. Although I am exasperated at the current coach his tactics and the mediocrity of the playing squad I will be there to support them come what may! I just hope Hethrington proves me wrong and puts us all out of our misery and gets rid sooner rather than later, and culls another 4/5 of the remaining squad and recruits quality replacements while he is at it.

I'll buy 15 season tickets for ten consecutive years if Hetherhington puts Rhino bucs out of it's misery.

Come on, join my pledge drive.

Thought you spent all your remaining cash on butt plugs!

Fully agree. Even though I have seen nothing positive about McD and a lot that is negative I still believe that the squad peaked a couple of years ago and needed freshening up in the key positions back then. Injuries and lack of form have made matters worse for the coach who has so far shown he is unable to overcome these problems and has compounded them by poor team selection.

Having said that we are seeing some woeful individual performances on the field that are the sole responsibility of the players.

I'll make the sacrifice for the greater good.

Obsession with objects in my anus is duly noted. I'm flattered.

Strangely, for once I believe Hetherington allowed sentiment to get in the way of reality when it came to his recruitment/retention decisions with this group of players. The signs were there last season, but some bad luck with injuries at the beginning and end of the season provided a ready made excuse to cover some pretty disappointing performances.

A number of this first team squad have gone a year (or two) too far and are currently being carried, to the detriment of the club as a whole.

If anyone seriously believes Smith, McLennan or Murray would have achieved better they're deluding themselves IMO.

Colour me deluded then.

Maybe not champions but any three of those would have acheived far "better" with this squad of players.

How, Gareth?

What would they have done differently to drag better performances out of the likes of Webb, Bailey, Lauitiiti etc - to name just three of those players who are clearly on the slide?

Maybe we might have a decent attacking structure. The squad may be on the slide player by player but certainly not to the extent that it has been showing this season. We are completely clueless and have been all year. It's time for a change IMO.

P.S.

Not Noble please Gary. The sides he coaches are always boring biff ballers, and he hates this club with a passion.

So are you saying our players was always clueless and the results were all just down to a good coach?

Missed tackles, knock on's, forward passes and lack of pace are surely down to the players. JJB, Buderus and Sinfield (for most of the time) have played very well as have Burgess, Hardaker, BJB with big improvement from McShane and Watkins. Are you saying these are not doing what the coach wants yet all the bad performers are?

Individual performances will always vary but how the team perform as a collective falls squarely under the remit of the coach. It is quite clear that some coaches are capable of getting their teams to perform beyond the sum of their individual parts, but Brian Mac is not in this category. I suspect the players are going out and working hard but they need to be well-prepared, motivated & have a structured plan. Errors tend to occur when things aren't going well for the team and individuals are under pressure - if the team is poorly coached there will be more individual errors, it is that simple.

Too much ecstacy?

Coached them better? I know that simplistic but isn't it obvious? If you're asking for te various methods involved then if I knew I'd obviously be doing it, or telling Mcdermott how to do it.

Andy Hay, Marvin Golden, Jamie Mathiou (spit), Paul Sterling and many others were average players coached well about their limits by Graham Murray.

Quins regressed each season under McDermott. Leeds like like they will regress on last year. He's a coach that takes teams backwards. I am sure they will be a plethora of reasons/excuses why but nevertheless there's a bad small about huim and it's starting to stick. Some coaches take jobs and their teams kick on (Murray. Smith.Mclennan even). Then there's McDermott.

By extending this logic only a little further, you could save money by just not having a coach at all. A team with no overall structure and game plan will rapidly become a beaten team, and a demoralised team, and the errors will come.

If that structure and cohesion are not the coach's job, then what exactly is the coach's job.

McDermott and Lowes may well be your problem.
Isn't a bigger problem the man who appointed them?
Everyone saw what McD did at Quins, they were bottom of the league contenders all season.
Did anyone at Leeds seriously think McD and Lowes would coach your team (or any team) into the top four?
Absolutely no chance!
The appointment of McDermott and Lowes was dreadful and your club are now reaping the consequencies.
Hetherington is the man responsible, no one else.

If he hates the club, why did he admit - off the record - that he wanted the Leeds job? Whether or not he would have got it, I don't know - but he's certainly admitted to wanting a crack at it before....

Too young mate, too young

What shade is deluded? If it's poop brown then knock yourself out pal and you colour yourself from head to toe.

I'll just call you deluded!

Save yourself the cost of the call. I've no need for a stalker thank you.

Big bite.........huge bite!

No I am not saying that the coaches job is not important. I am saying that the evidence on the field is of some players playing well with structure while others are clearly past it physically and mentally and not able to maintain any structure or game plan for the full 80. To ignore this and put it all down to the coach is to miss the crucial problem we have.

I too am not happy with McD or his strange selections but I do think a change of coach will not solve the problems of a squad that is now 5th best in SL and hampered with 2 of its best players not fully fit yet.

i think a coach would make a huge difference. look at wigan, giants,wolves and catalans to see that

Well If you are not deluded then I must be a psychic then?

I got some stick off you and others at start of last season and more so on the announcement of the "magnificent seven" for stating what would happen this season, and been =#FF0000proved exactly spot on correct right now. How is that when McDermott wasn't even announced as assistant coach at that point, let alone head coach?