Buderus was great again on saturday. Full 80 in 2 different positions, tackling everything that moved. When Hall made that great cover tackle, the players to get back and defend were Buderus, Pitts and Sinny. We haven't ever and aren't likely to ever see him at his peak, but he very very rarely plays anything below good, and is usually very good.

agree with all that Matt23

The deluded logic that measures how good a player is by number of winners rings/medals they gain in Leeds colours. Thats your logic by the way

How can people have the opinion that Liam Hood is going to be a success when he hasn't even played in the 1st team yet?, Potential is only half the battle, I'll wait and see his performances before i judge him.

Buderus continues to prove his worth and thankfully he is contracted at Leeds for 2012 also at this point.

An outstanding individual within a team sport.

Perhaps you could explain how you have reached that conclusion?

I want to see McShane make the sort of impression he's been making recently against a Saints, Wigan, Wire or Huddersfield before I'm totally convinced as well, despite how extremely promising these last few weeks have been.

Well, I couldn't out run either but I know which one I'd rather face when he caught me...............

Not sure why some people want to continually talk about Diskin as though he was barely average after his injury. We would never have won three in a row without a half decent hooker. It is after all one of the key positions in the side.

Simple!



Which reads to me as "Buderus cannot ever be considered as good as Diskin unless he wins 4 grand finals"

The structure of the way Leeds play with three playmakers Buderus was never going to have the influence on the side that a playmaking hooker such as Cameron Smith or Robbie Farah does. His job is to ensure the playmakers especially Sinfield gets quick quality ball - something he does as well as any hooker in SL. For some one who puts his own rugby knowledge on such a high pedestal - especially if you read the derisory comments he makes about others understanding - I would have thought Gareth would have understood that. The game isn't just about attacking - his defense is as good as any player in the side - something that Gareth also overlooks.

Gareth says he was a waste of cap - especially as we needed strengthening in other areas. You can only sign the correct quality if the players are available and prepared to play for Leeds. I ask again which centres has come from the NRL that Leeds could have signed in preference to Buderus - in fact which players have to come SL from the NRL since Buderus came to Leeds that would have enhanced the side?

No one on here knows what salary Buderus is on - it is unlikely given the salary structure at Leeds it will huge - I for one think he has been good value for money. To watch one of the best hookers of the modern era on a weekly basis is worth every penny it makes up of my season ticket cost.

My sentiments exactly.

For those interested, my views are; "Not as well".


I totally understand where G1 is coming from, but let's be honest, how on earth was Buderus ever going to live up to expectations?! Imagine when Messi is 30 and he's won everything there is to win, captained his country, and been the top of his game for 10 years, then he signed for another club because he wanted a challenge. What would you be expecting him to do? It's unrealistic to have that high an expectation of him, he was bound to let you down. Of course Buderus is past his best, did you see his best? How on earth could you still be expecting him to play like that? I think you've set your expectations far too high, there's nothing wrong with having high expectations, but having unrealistic expectations is setting yourself up for disappointment.

Abso-bloodly-lutely. And that, at the end of the day, is the only point that really matters to me.

Then I suggest you're not very good at reading because that is not what it says at all.

Then why is McShane having such an influence? Why did Diskin have such an influence in our title winning season of 2004?

Something Peaock said Diskin was oneof the best at.

His defence is outstanding. Why do you think I overlook that?
This is where we differ. It's not tennis. I want to see the team acheive success, not brilliant individuals. This isn't the 1980s.

G1 - You've just applauded "Not sure why people are talking about Diskin", then when Sal has mentioned Buderus' role at the club, you've compared it to Diskin's?!



He's gone mate, the sooner you realise it, the sooner we can move on.

I know he hurt you, but time is a healer.



P.S. I miss Scott Donald.

Perhaps we could start an "ex-Rhinos Anonymous" support group.

tvoc could join representing Jodie Broughton.

Any other takers?

I miss Rob Ackerman's shoulder charges.

Me too. I had thought that the presence of Buderus would do little for McShane's development. Happily, I was wrong; he seems to have learned quite a bit and, for me, now has the makings of a very good hooker.

I miss Jim Fallon

G1, my reading skills are fine thanks, I guess we'll just never agree.......
Disko = past
Buderus = present
McShane = future

I'm pretty happy with that

How has he shown he's a failed half back? He's played the odd game here an there in the academy at half back but I'm pretty sure hooker has been his 1st position since we signed him.

These days a hooker's role is more like a 2nd half back anyway.

I miss craig innes

I miss Bobbie Goulding. The last good out & out scrum half we had (Andy Gregory doesn't count). Shame for Leeds that he smashed up Dougie's car...

Pretty much agree with that.