14 errors this week, not getting much better

Juan ,i just want to point out the missed tackle you blame Bailey for when Leuleui went through watch the game again and from the behind the sticks you can see Prescott (as a dummy runner) blatantly run into Bailey and "take him out" and he still makes albeit a failed effort to get Leuleui.

Is there a 2nd point?

You're making some massive assumptions there. The other tacklers managed to get off the player and our line was set. It's far frm certain they would have scored and we will never know. I think Buderus held on because he was gassed, more of that later.

I don't gnore anything. We are discussing Buderus, not Senior. Besides, the blame for that is actually partly down to Burrow who got a little bit lost and also obstructed Senior's chase.
I am not doing that. I am appraising Buderus's performance. Others seem to be indulging in that by responding to negative comments about Buderus with negativemments about other players.
He [iwas [/igassed. I was watching him. He was struggling. That may be the coaches fault rather than the player for not spelling him enough and not making proper use of his bench but my observation is fair.

I think that takes the gloss of an excellent all round display from most of the team. There were many who contributed a great deal.

We're not a million miles apart but I seem to be only poster willing to objectively consider and not reach for excuses for Buderus's negative input. Actually, TVOC did so ealier with little reaction so I guess people are reacting to the messenger rather than the message.

Don't let the facts water down people's agendas.

I watched again and you are right and Bailey did well to have a second go. But Rhinoms can we just keep it between you and me and don't tell BB I said that?

Sorry BB I accept your man was obstructed so I now don't blame him for missing the tackle.

But it is fair to point out that the penalty he gave away led to their first try. No worse than several other players mistakes that also cost us points. I have pointed these errors out in defence of Buderus who was being unfairly lined up to carry the can for dropping a point. No agenda just facts.

You know I don't like to interject on other people's discussions but seriously .... come on people, have I taught you nothing?



I can't believe no-one has asked Juan to explain this one away.

Buderus was first in tackler therefore at the bottome of the pile under JJB etc. So Buderus was last up and by laying on it allowed our defensive line to set. However in a similar situation 2 minutes before when once again the "gassed" Buderus made the key tackle on the line they scored easily under the sticks with some excusable blame on JJB?

So the evidence was clear at this stage of the match we were not able to defend our line. So I would say it is a massive assumption to say they would not have scored as they had momentum, speed, a will to win and would have had the possession on our line.




But you cannot discuss Buderus in isolation having implied he cost us a point and ignore others players mistakes. Senior was out of position and was outpaced by a 2nd row for more than half the length of the field. This was a repeat of the same error made a few minutes before causing us to drop out under the sticks.



I am not blind to his mistakes. I am saying that his positives more than outweighed his negatives and if you are dwelling on his negatives without comment on other players mistakes, then it is fair comment to compare the performance with the other players in a team game. After we are talking of his selection as MOM which is in its self a comparision between the other players.



He may have been "gassed" but he was less "gassed" than most of the other players. As I have previously pointed out he got back to make the two laying tackles you love to point out that was penalised for in the last 3 minutes and he also had made key tackles on the line before their last try. So he was getting around and doing his bit gassed or no gassed

if they had the ball out they outnumbered us around 7 to 3 on the left. They may have knocked on but odds on they would have scored

TBH, I'd thought Wigan were likely to have scored if we hadn't held down. To put a third (? after Richards and Deacon) choice kicker into a pressure kick on the wrong side of the posts for a right footed kicker, I thought that was the right option.

Isit also fair to point out that the penalty came after he tackled a Wigan player who had collected a loose pass from Buderus or would that be unfair?

Fair but irelevant as doesn't excuse silly facial.

Any way by your rules when pointing our errors of one player you cannot mention another player!