No! read my post again. 4 GF medals does not constitute another string in his bow!

You think. That's your opinion. examples please!
Still waiting for another string in his bow!

Come on guys stop giving honest opinions, jesus!

Lets stick to the stats.

Stats come from someones judgement, i.e. an opinion, hopefully an objective one.

There is a world of things that the stats don't cover (especially context) that certain players are very good at (defensive man selection, knowing you have a role in defence even if you aren't literally tackling, position, holding down just long enough, winning penalties, winning the mental battle, forcing your opposition into tight spots, driving the ball up knowing you will be pounded but it will create space and time later. I could go on but I simply don't want to)

Hi BB wondered where you'd been. Been having your afternoon nap?

Your man is no better than the others for most of the above except perhaps in the niggle department. Bailey as I have said has improved his tackle rate and is generally reliable for 21/22 tackles per game.

What the stats do not show for anyone is how many tackles are first up or 3rd in so we can only go on the number for work rate.

I just wish he would put in some leg drives and gain us more metres.

The rampant racism towards TMFMISL has even spread amongst our own supporters.

Very sad.

I seriously beg to differ.

In defensive position, marshalling the middle of the park, knowing when to make contact and when to fill in - he is light years infront of most of his other team-mate props. From watching most matches it's clearly visible.

The rot has set in.

Very subtle.

I don't know about the most feared but he's certainly one of the most talked about and he doesn't even have to take to the field to spark a mass-debate. Hopefully tomorrow he'll be available and give the protagonists some more ammunition.

If you watch him 90% of the time he wins the ground i.e lands on his chest and elbows and gains a quick ptb which is just as good as imo 5/10 metres of a leg drive and a slow defence controlled ptb.
Also what the stats don't show is exactly how many defenders come into tackle him or shoot out at him and try put the big hits in which creates space and also gains penalties.
Although the numbers don't show it he has and does play a good role for us and also the opposition want to get at him and believe it or not it takes them off their concentration in defence.

You make a fair point here and I acknowlege his ability to regain his feet and win some quick ptb's or penalties.



I am not so sure about your last points. I don't think he attracts more tacklers than anyone else. Maybe this happens sometime after he has fouled or niggled a bit but just as often he is pushed back over the gain line.

What I do think is that he has a fan club that overrate his niggle benefits and overlook his shortcomings at this level. I am not saying he is rubbish and I also acknowledge that he has made a regular contribution over the years as a steady squad man. But he is light years behind the best.

I am willing to pre-empt this weeks stats and say Kirke made a mighty 5 carries tonight, max.

Robbed some kid of a shirt again tonight.

Mind you, he made no errors. Put in no effort and you avoid erros.

TBF I remember him winning 1 collision... The turf broke up as his back hit it.

Kirke didn't appear to be on for long either - if so poor workload management by the coaching staff again.

www.therhinos.co.uk/news/16135.php Perhaps Pitts speaking out against MCD's odd decision to only give him 5 minutes game time against the quins?

www.therhinos.co.uk/news/16135.php Perhaps Pitts speaking out against MCD's odd decision to only give him 5 minutes game time against the quins?

I gave him too much credit. 4 carries.

Dear oh dear.