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| i'm very happy! .....the Dulls who are scoffing remember, you were nowhere until Brian Smith came to your club, he laid the foundations for the excellent work done by Matt Elliott, admitedly a good time for you, he left it in the safe hands of Nobby who fed off the hard work M.E. had done and taught McBanana all he knows, a downward spiral ever since!
Leeds on the other hand, have excelled in the SL era coaching wise and I think Brian Mac will do a good job.
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| Quote ="Era of the Biff"He did his job at London which was to turn the club from an over reliance on Australians to a club bringing through British talent.'"
Nope....he signed the likes of Mick Nanyn who was supposedly a centre but rolled up carrying more weight than a prop...now at leigh Stephen Bannister now at Fax after 9 games in 2 years Sam Thompson now at Barrow......can you see where this is heading?
He also moved Tony Clubb to 2nd row....even though he had just been capped by England at Centre......
As for the Talent coming through.....he takes no credit for that or for blooding youngsters...he had no choice given we couldn't attract any decent players due to having no cash and even less success under his leadership.
I repeat.....he is not up to the job of a first team coach...is dour and very set in his ways. I asked him at the start of the 2008 where he thought we would finish...he said first. I repeated the question and asked for a serious answer...he repeated first. We ended up 9th with 11 wins.........good luck Leeds...he is cack!
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Bramley you're sounding just like all the fans who supported the early appointment of Steve McNamara at the Bulls. '"
Weren't you among them?
I seem to recall a comment of yours that suggested McNamara would follow a similar path to that trod by the previously unheralded Matty Elliott. I replied it wouldn't. I guess one of us was always going to be more right than the other.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Snip'"
Did he stop the over reliance of Australians or not?
Have youngsters been brought into the first team?
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Just so we're clear, you're talking about the St Helens who have appointed a coach who, prior to being an assistant at Wests Tigers was sacked by Hull and had a largely uninspiring spell in charge of Penrith'"
That's why I posed the question I did on the previous page. I don't see how Saints are better off. I'm not sure he was sacked by Hull but he was definitely sacked by Penrith, although I think he did take Penrith to a final one year, and didn't he take Hull to a semi? I can't remember. Either way, Saints have hardly chosen a nailed on successful head coach. I think ours is at least as big a risk as Leeds with McDermott.
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| Quote ="Era of the Biff"Did he stop the over reliance of Australians or not?'"
No..He didn't. Any number of reasons can be rolled out for the migration from a team full of aussies in 2002 to a team with more English players than any other.......and I wouold suspect Finances would be the main one!
Quote ="Era of the Biff"Have youngsters been brought into the first team?'"
He was at the club at the right time.......he reaped the benefits of the academy set up that has been around for a while.....for the record, Tony Clubb and LMS gained caps as a result of the work done by Tony Rea as well as Mac and both were coached and "blooded" by Rea......since then, in his 4 and a bit years we have had no other capped Londoners. The conveyer belt of Talent is only now coming into its own and last year a fair few of the kids who played for the 1st team weren't ready.
I repeat..if a player falls out of favour with him then they will languish in the reserves or been loaned out....it's his way of the highway......but let's wait and see shall we. I suspect that He will get 1 decent season out of your squad......but then he will be found out.
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| Quote ="Banielates"Nrl education.
That automatically makes them better than McDermott.'"
Two words:
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Lance
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| Quote ="gutterfax"No..He didn't. Any number of reasons can be rolled out for the migration from a team full of aussies in 2002 to a team with more English players than any other.......and I wouold suspect Finances would be the main one!
He was at the club at the right time.......he reaped the benefits of the academy set up that has been around for a while.....for the record, Tony Clubb and LMS gained caps as a result of the work done by Tony Rea as well as Mac and both were coached and "blooded" by Rea......since then, in his 4 and a bit years we have had no other capped Londoners. The conveyer belt of Talent is only now coming into its own and last year a fair few of the kids who played for the 1st team weren't ready.
I repeat..if a player falls out of favour with him then they will languish in the reserves or been loaned out....it's his way of the highway......but let's wait and see shall we. I suspect that He will get 1 decent season out of your squad......but then he will be found out.'"
Just so we are clear you acknowledge he has had naff all to spend and brought youngsters in yet you still think he failed??
Just out of interest with naff all to spend what do you expect him to do?
Also we KNOW what to expect from him he was here before he joined you at a time when we were demolishing every team in this league and winning our 1st title for 32yrs.
The majority of this squad know him and were actually gutted when he left so i'm sure they already know what to expect aswell.
You can only go so far on has beens and never will be's mate do you seriously think he'd try and get a SL player out of Nanyn if your club had the funds to attract better?
Given what he's had to work with i think he's done ok and lets be honest you've had some horrendus injury lists during his stint aswell.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"<snip>.'"
I take it all back...he's the Messiah...he will win every trophy in his first year at Headingly and will go on to sort out the UK economy in his spare time.
Good Luck....not that you'll need it
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| Quote ="gutterfax"I take it all back...he's the Messiah...he will win every trophy in his first year at Headingly and will go on to sort out the UK economy in his spare time.
Good Luck....not that you'll need it
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Don't play silly buggers you obviously don't rate him and there are many others too but i think you missed the bigger picture in the post that i quoted.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Don't play silly buggers you obviously don't rate him and there are many others too but i think you missed the bigger picture in the post that i quoted.'"
Regardless of injuries, financial constraints and any other excuse that people can come up with, the face remains that he had 38% win ratio as head coach at Quins over 4 seasons and a handfull of games in 2006.
It has never been proven, but SOMETHING went on in June 2009.....we went from 4th with a 10/5 record to 11th with a 11/16 record by the end of the season. Now.......call me Fox Maulder if you like, but there is no way on this earth that this massive slump in form can be put down to anything other than the coach loosing the dressing room IMO.
I didn't miss anything in any of the posts regarding his promotion to the new head coach at Leeds. He knows the set up there and will also know what is expected of him, but the fact remains he is unproven as a coach at this level.....
I appreciate that he didn't have the funds available that he will at Leeds, but the fact remains he did seem out of his depth at Quins......I suggest you try to find a few BBC match reports and read his quotes...the ones about being happy are pretty funny....given he said it after most games we had been hammered in
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| Not inspired by the appointment but then again GH has shown generally good judgement overall when its come to coaches - Murray, Smith and Bluey have been excellent. Powell was OK (some on here would say much better than OK). Only Lance was a bad mistake.
My only feeling is that McDermott could do with an assistant from the NRL who has a handle on all the latest ideas and techniques. That's what Maguire brought to Wigan, and I'd like to see some of that at Leeds too.
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| I voted "No".
Because I suspect he will actually do OK for you lot.
And he'll kick the shìt out of any prima donnas in the squad.
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| I think its a similar appointment to when Bradford appointed Macca.
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| Only time will tell.
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| Quote ="efcrhino"Only time will tell.'"
Which is probably the best post of the lot!
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Regardless of injuries, financial constraints and any other excuse that people can come up with, the face remains that he had 38% win ratio as head coach at Quins over 4 seasons and a handfull of games in 2006.
It has never been proven, but SOMETHING went on in June 2009.....we went from 4th with a 10/5 record to 11th with a 11/16 record by the end of the season. Now.......call me Fox Maulder if you like, but there is no way on this earth that this massive slump in form can be put down to anything other than the coach loosing the dressing room IMO.
I didn't miss anything in any of the posts regarding his promotion to the new head coach at Leeds. He knows the set up there and will also know what is expected of him, but the fact remains he is unproven as a coach at this level.....
I appreciate that he didn't have the funds available that he will at Leeds, but the fact remains he did seem out of his depth at Quins......I suggest you try to find a few BBC match reports and read his quotes...the ones about being happy are pretty funny....given he said it after most games we had been hammered in
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I understand that the scope of his role at Quins was very much wider than it will be at Leeds. It may be a bigger club, but he will concentrate on 1st team coaching, without having to worry about the other aspects, which will be picked up by others at the club
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| Quote ="gutterfax"It has never been proven, but SOMETHING went on in June 2009.....we went from 4th with a 10/5 record to 11th with a 11/16 record by the end of the season. Now.......call me Fox Maulder if you like, but there is no way on this earth that this massive slump in form can be put down to anything other than the coach loosing the dressing room IMO.'"
Nothing other than the coach?
Could it not have been that the coach was actually with the players, but that the boardroom had lost the dressing room, rather than the coach?
I think you might find, yes you did have a problem at that time, but it wasn't directly down to the coach.
There is always an easy choice when people are guessing isn't they?
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| I've had a look at Coach McDermott's record with Harlequins over the SL Regular Rounds and come up with:
Played 117, Won 44, Drawn 3, Lost 70, 39%
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Played 57, Won 25, Drawn 3, Lost 29, 46%
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Played 56, Won 16, Drawn 0, Lost 40, 29%
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Played 4, Won 3, Drawn 0, Lost 1, 75%
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| Quote ="tvoc"I've had a look at Coach McDermott's record with Harlequins over the SL Regular Rounds and come up with:
Played 117, Won 44, Drawn 3, Lost 70, 39%
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Played 57, Won 25, Drawn 3, Lost 29, 46%
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Played 56, Won 16, Drawn 0, Lost 40, 29%
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Played 4, Won 3, Drawn 0, Lost 1, 75%'"
That settles it then! Lets have the new South Stand built now and play at a neutral venue next season! 2 birds... 1 stone.
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| Playing every game at a National Rugby Union stadium appears the way to go.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Weren't you among them?
I seem to recall a comment of yours that suggested McNamara would follow a similar path to that trod by the previously unheralded Matty Elliott. I replied it wouldn't. I guess one of us was always going to be more right than the other.'"
Probably. I had high hopes for McNamara who had come through the "boot room" like his two predecessors, I guess as a fan I was hoping for the best and didn't really know much about his abilities. In hindsight the difference between McNAmara and Elliott and Noble was that those changes were carefully managed whereas McNamara came in a year early and had to immediately manage a transition. A number of senior players had been allowed to leave too which didn't help this, (possibly something Brian Mac will have to manage).
Looking back it's obvious that he wasn't ready for the job and was still learning. From taking over we finished lower down the table with each season (like Brian Mac at Quins) He too had problems with recruitment (like Brian Mac). Despite having the full cap to play with from 06 to 09 he made some awful signings (Tupou, Worrincy, Sheriffe etc).
In short having seen how McNamara did for us I can see paralells with Brian Mac at Leeds. The one thing you do have in your favour is that the club itself is on a firm financial footing.
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| I hope he does better than mcbannana, lets be fair he can't do worse!!
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Probably. '"
I hope you're wrong again but this time I think I'm minded to agree with your assessment.
The head coaching position is (in footballing terms) the most important appointment in the club, IMO. Get it badly wrong and you've no chance, almost regardless of playing personel.
It's time for all Leeds fans to be crossing their fingers and trusting in the judgement of the CEO.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"No..He didn't. Any number of reasons can be rolled out for the migration from a team full of aussies in 2002 to a team with more English players than any other.......and I wouold suspect Finances would be the main one!'"
so did he stop the over reliance of Aussies or not?
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Ah right. So if they were any good they were the result of the previous coach and anyone good coming through now is nothing to do with Mcdermott. Ok then
Quote ="gutterfax"I repeat..if a player falls out of favour with him then they will languish in the reserves or been loaned out....it's his way of the highway......but let's wait and see shall we. I suspect that He will get 1 decent season out of your squad......but then he will be found out.'"
So hasn't he already been found out?
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