I really shouldn't get into convesations with children, and I will refrain in future.

But would you care to put something where your mouth is?

Can you show where in any of the title winning seasons I have written off the team for that year? Infact it was only 2007 where I offered to double your bet with snake eater that we would win the title. Even this year I have said all along we would win the title.

My views have been made clear for 18 months, that 2011 would see us challenge for nothing unless we made changes. I think Brian McDermott coming in as assistant is a very positive change and will do well, but we should have released players, and we should have made a couple of quality aquisitions to complement the promotion of youth.

Now, I may well have written off the odd player over the last couple of years, if you are getting mixed up with that, then I can excuse you, but you said the "team.

Why do you keep resorting to personal abuse when your opinion is challenged or disagreed with?

You're playing a dangerous game there Gotcha. You seem to have forgotten that at the end of each season between 2007 and 2009 I brought up threads and posts from posters writing the team off.

Is that really what you;'re asking me to do again?

No you didn't. You brought up threads writing players off, and in the most part brought them up completely out of the context that posters put views on. Or you brought threads up where posters have complained about the way we had been playing after a couple of defeats on the bounce, usually around easter time.

Let's get away from fogknitting here and be clear. You said I had written the team off in each of the titlte winning seasons, making out I had said they would not win the title those years. Have I misunderstood you there? or is that what you are saying? or are you saying that I was one of the posters complaining about the way we were playing as early as Easter in each season?

If you are saying the latter, then I would be man enough to admit I have expressed views of not been satisfied with what I was seeing, even as early as Easter, no problem.

But how can someone who has tipped us for the last 4 seasons to win the title, and even in 2007 (coincidentally a year you are saying I wrote the team off) offered to double your bet against a poster saying we had no chance, be classed as "writing off" the team?

I make no secret of saying we would struggle in 2011 without changes and I have to put up with the ridicule on that if proven wrong, for which I dearly hope I am. But I won't listen to something that is plainly untrue to say I had written them of in "each" of the title winning seasons.

I'm just pleased you managed to post without resorting to personal abuse of other forum users.

Let me review the Gotcha archives and I'll come back to you. Might take a whee while as I have some big boy busy work to do this week.

Before you do that, is there no chance of you answering the questions I raised?

I would hate to have the board ruined by petty "you said" "I said" (for which I accept blame), hence why I asked the question to clear it up first.

That way if your saying it the way I was man enough to admit to, then you would not need to ruin your working week, because I'll just say fair enough and leave it.

Gareth ... Your efforts to get one over somebody else and gain some self perceived superiority astound me.
Why do you feel such need ? Why the desire to " play to the gallery " to such an extreme .... digging through past postings ? Does that not smack of pliable to one that is quite evidently intelligent and articulate. What are you hoping to prove ? To whom ?

Those that revere you will always do so regardless.... Those that merely respect you - like I now do (did ) - are more perplexed and think rather less of you when you resort to this, such jejune, behaviour.

Grow up man.

Yes you are right it was not a GF appearance (which makes it 7 GF appearances) the first 2 years of SL were first past the post. Still an impressive record.

I fully exepct this team to come back stronger next season. There are a few older bodies on board now but by no means is this team past it.

IMO Senior depsite his age is still one of our most potent attacking weapons and why people constantly want to put him in the pack is beyond me.

A good replacement for Eastwood, a good run with injuries and we will be there or thereabouts.

I agree he has been pretty good on attack again this season....it's his defence that causes concern... BUT do you really think it wise to depend on him yet again next season....or better to blood his pretender to the throne (Watkins) as much as possible ?
Think it's only suggested he move to cover the second row because he actually seemed to go well there against Hull....and it also won't be quite so critical a position to keep him fit in as there will be more cover for his 'new' position.
We can always slot him back in there at centre if all fails (which won't be such a good thing going forwards).

I will listen to you advice.

Gotcha, you can breath a sigh of relief. Your posts writing the team off will remain in archive as I take heed of nantwich's words of wisdom. I just hope you can also take heed of his post and stop resorting to abuse whenever a poster challenges your opinion.

Good man this deserves respect

Indeed....banter has its place too.... But excessive playing to the gallery of mindless morons ...who enjoy seeing the goading of a victim, smacks of frequent very unsavoury historical events of the past.

Don't be fooled by G1's magnaminous action. Much more likely he simply couldn't be a[irse[/id to back up his claim, which was in all probability without much foundation anyway.

TVOC, the only foe really worthy of my attention on this forum. A cut about Sandwich-exhale who, flattered by the misguided belief I would ever heed anything he had written, failed to see my proper motivation.

I salute you, you wily old statto.

Rather sad YOU're proud of that..... But hey ho what goes around comes around.

I am sure the one true person on here always worthy of respect doesn't need your sychophancy. The brown nose probably suits you though.

Nice. You actually can't take a joke at all can you.

Was it the joke, or the fact Danny thought it was funny?

Now, as it was a joke, I don't have to do this, but you asked a specific question so I feel obliged to answer.."[iCare to give previous examples where failure expectations have been expressed?[/i".



I think that qualifies.



Now I never mentioned a particular season, and you didn't ask for an example specific to a particular season so there you go.

=#0040FFDoes [ithis[/i one not qualify as being a "pathetic" post ???

Whatever the history is between some of you guys on here do you really think the rest of us care two hoots who wins in the pi55ing contest ? Are YOU also not too old for this playing-to-the-gallery-of-childish-morons who [iwould[/i actually give a toss if you got one over another ? Grow up man.

Does anyone else wish Nantwich would learn to quote?

It'll be the latter.




.......and boy was it funny. I LOLd.

Does anyone else wish Danny would learn to grow up ? Mentally and physically.

( Come on Danny.... You can do better than this retort. Very disappointing ).

He worked out to get himself off my "ignore" list but he's blowing the opportunity earned.

DHM, Gotcha is one of the worst posters for resorting to abuse and one of the board's biggest hypocrites if anyone else does.

Saints have won the Challenge Cup 7 times since SL started.

Sorry, I missed 96 & 97.

So update on top performers in SL era:

Club.............Super League Champions.....Grand Finalists.......C.Cup........C.C Finalists

Saints...........................5*.........................7...................7....................8

Bradford........................4*.........................6...................2....................5

Leeds............................4..........................6...................1...................3

Wigan...........................1..........................4............ ......1....................3


* Includes one Superleague (League Leadership) Championship before Grand Finals were introduced.

Haven't we been in 5 CC finals.