and if you can't see what a guy who has captained a team to 4 Gf wins can do for us you don't know much about rl

For me he is a good club man and great kicker, He would never get a look in for England if he was playing for the likes of Cas or Quins though for example, he reminds me of Deacon with just a bit more pace and size.

I suppose if you ignore the fact that:

Roby has scored 6 times as many tries as Piggy
Roby has created 6 times as many tries as Piggy
Roby makes twice as many carries for over 1m per carry more than Piggy
Roby averages over 30% more tackles a game and misses fewer of them than Piggy
Roby makes 6 times more offloads as Piggy
Roby makes 4 times as many tackle busts as Piggy
Roby makes 4 times as many clean breaks as Piggy
Roby has kicked 40/20 and Piggy hasn't
Roby gives away fewer penalties than Piggy

then you have a great point there.

It seems to me that O'Loughlin is (just as Sinfield tends to be) underestimated by opposition fans.

He's had a very good year and fully deserves his selection IMO.

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Is that the Australian Michael Dobson who currently plays for Hull KR. Have I missed something?

This year O'loughlin in 3 more games has significantly bettered Sinfield in the following:
Tries
Try assists
Metres
Tackles
Tackle busts
marker Tackles

He has made slightly more errors and penalties given away (in more games)

And has missed fewer tackles and had fewer yellow cards.

Oh and he has missed fewer goal kicks as well!

Agree entirely.

McGuire should have been at 6; Tomkins at 1.....but think others have stated the "rules" meant Tomkins had to be chosen at 6, or not at all.

It is worrying that Wellens can still be considered the best FB in the country in a "dream team".

Much as I admire Senior I would prefer Atkins in the "dream team"....and to think Atkin's another one that we 'let go.'

Certainly does my friend.

Sinfield has had a mediocre year. O'Loughl;in has had a great year.

Sinfield remains one of the greats of the game though.

I've always liked O'Loughlin and never understood why people bag him so much. If we get a decnt halfback partenership and fullback (some combination of Widdop, Eastwood, Tomkins and McGuire) then I'd like to think we could bury the 'ball handling loose forward' idea that hasn't worked in the 30 years I've been watching GB/England get pasted.

Well said tvoc! How any opposition fan can feel they have justification to bag either player just baffles me. O'Loughlin has been outstanding for Wigan this year (as he has been even in poorer teams for some years now). It amazes me that coaches, players and journalists throughout this year have mentioned him as a potential MOS yet some opposition fans (and I stress ONLY opposition fans - go figure!) seem to think they have some greater insight than those who play/coach with and against him or see most, if not all, games he plays. Some people need to take a reality check on the self important view of their own opinions. But, of course, that's only MY opinion!



As for anyone doubting the importance of Sinfield to the Leeds team; have a word with yourselves!

You could make a radio show getting fans to air their views out of this!

Stats whore.

How embarrassing, I did know Dobson is Australian and as soon as I saw your post I went 'I knew that'! I am clearly getting myself in a muddle and mixing him up in my brain with someone else in terms of nationality, but can't for the life of me think who!

No Diskin either ?!?!? A travesty ...what with all his past GF medals too.

If he'd been given the game time given to Buderus I am sure he'd have been in there.

Had Diskin been given every second of every game I find it exceedingly hard to believe he would have out-performed Roby and Monaghan this year.

Totally agree. SOL has more pace than Sinfield, the one area where Sinny is distinctly ordinary.

We;ll never know. What we do know is when Buderus broke his leg last year in July and Diskin was given back the pivotal role that had gained us great success we never lost a game, romped to the LLS and the GF.

This year, the Lion's share of the playing time has been Buderus's.

All very true, I suppose I just don't rate him as highly as Roby/Monaghan, but there's no doubting his contribution to Leeds.

You remind me of those x factor contestants that are genuinely shocked when they're confronted with the horrible truth.

Well done at least for the correct use of an apostrophe in relation to Buderus ...although you don't necessarily need the extra " s ...

Far too diplomatic ! !

Buderus would of course have made it into the dream team but for having to " share " his role on an equal basis with an inferior product that ate into his game time

But yet you fail to see the talents of the only Captain in RL history to win 4 premierships.

No need to be like that with McShane, he's only a young lad.

I don't remember McShane ever sharing the same game with the anointed one.....but if I am wrong then yeah I apologise. He like Diski might be a real sensitive soul and really care a hoot what I or any other character on here thinks.. : )

By the way back on topic of course Roby deserves his place as the season's best