Not difficult at all. I am not the only one arguing so.

You've formed your opinion. I too have watched it a few times. That is how I formed my opinion. Wow, we're really moving forward here aren't we, unlike Sinfield's pass?

No one other than you has suggested that, some have suggested the pass was not forward under the rules, but we all know that is not the same thing



that IS a fact and always shall be, you dodged the issue of the position on the field after you watched the clip again (or pretended to) and continued to troll the thread, probably because one of your 2 favourites was against you on the issue
issue over

Oh, is that like FACT and END OF. Hard to rebutt that.

Really? Try reading the thread before jumping in with both feet. It wasn't me, on this very thread, who wrote



When I posted" I recall delaney receiving it before the white line and in line with where Sinfield released it" yet a different poster, not me again, wrote "I agree". Again, it's oin this thread so it won't take much effort for you to find it once you take booth feet out of your mouth. Finally, it's not clear either way that whether Puig is saying he agrees Delaney received the ball at a point in lin eor behind Sinfield's release when he says he's in the backwards camp.

Why? because you say so? because you typed "end of issue"? With respect, it is not a fact. It remains a difference of opinion however pompous you want to get about it.

That's a bit pathetic isn't it? You really have lost it here haven't you?


Your credibility appears to be over but the issue remains very much live.

You can make a case for the pass not being classified as forward within the rules of the game, not really a rule I agree with fully but that's another issue. What I don't understand is the thinking that Delaney was level with where Sinfield released it. But that argument could go on forever so we can all agree to disagree there.

When it comes to whether the pass was legal according to the laws of the game, I'd probably say yes, just. Not that Sinfield had a great deal of momentum, passing it in a backwards direction wouldn't have been difficult.

Thank you. Very grown up.

the reason i wrote issue over is bacuase I had nothing else to say
I did miss back to back to back's post so one person did agree with you on that particular issue, I suggest he watch the video and admit his mistake
everything else I stand by

Personally I recall from the replays that Delaney caught the ball closer to the line than sinfield was when he passed it.

How much impact the momentum came into that I can't decide. I have a memory of Sinfield almost stopping before firing the pass, which would render it illegal in my view. If he was moving with more speed when he passed then it would render it legal in my view. Certainly a borderline decisions, which is why its been discussed so much

I agree that the decision was borderline but, in that case, wonder why it's caused so much fuss. If it was blatantly forward I could understand the controversy. But when it's created such difference of opinion and, even in the view of many who considered it forward it's was only borderline, i wonder why we can't discuss the brilliance of the try rather than whether it was marginally forward or not.

Maybe it's just the intrinsically dour miserable b'stard at the core of every rugby League fan.

I think where a decision is baltently wrong the fan of the offended team will complain they were robbed, the fan of the benefitting team will generally agree that it was a duff call, and people move on.

Where the decision is borderline, there is room for discussion, and that can vary depending on the strength of the rose tinted spectacles, and the colour of the shirt they are wearing.

Its good to have a discussion on the interpretation of the rules, especially as its seems to have mostly stayed away from a slagging match that many thrads on here turn to.

I agree with you and Clarkey. It was a quality try, especially considering it was a 5th Tackle play from in our own half. It deserved a try, and as was pointed out at the time, one of the reasons why we are the champion team we are.

That makes sense.

I'd be interested to know where various posters who've expressed views on Sinfield's pass were located. I was virtually level and from there it seemed just the right side of borderline. One or two nearby Bulls fans may have thought otherwise but, in keeping with RL fans at all grounds, they accepted the decision and kept their views largely to themselves

let's not forget our brilliant "flat pass" try at Old Trafford last year....

In front of a tv screen mostly

behind the sticks then, subsequently, as GCM1980 says, in front of a telly.

And on viewing the excellent TV footage available on subscription your opinion remained 'right side of borderline' ?

I've watched many games live at Odsal where you've only known a try has been scored when the away sides players are trudging back towards the half way line and the kicker is lining up the shot at goal. Anyone entering the discussion from that viewpoint alone would add very little of worth, IMO.



Too late, I've forgotten it.

There again it's not that hard to forget something that is a figment of someone else's imagination.




I think it's called integrity.

Something I find spectacularly missing from the rival handling code where for years a blind eye has been turned in favour of glorifying s[ihit[/ie execution of basic skills.

Rugby League is far from immune from the charge when you witness what passes for an acceptable play the ball these days but supporters are still correct IMO to wish to see the game basically played within the laws of the game.

I would give Bailey a 4 because he is a soft c0ck and got owned by Scruton.

I don't subscribe to Sky, so my opinion remains unchanged. Based on the view I had I don't think there were sufficient grounds for touch judge or ref to call a scrum. Neither am I convinced that TV footage is a reliable method of confirming a forward pass - however excellent that footage might be.

Maybe it's just me, but I haven't got a clue what you're talking about?

No, it's not just you.

I agree. The only reliable method is to consult God.

But other supporters would be complaining of my bias towards Leeds.

Maybe he's referring to Smith's "offside" try but he's a bit thick?

One of the greatest "flat pass" tries the game's ever seen?

No, I ain't got a clue either.

I agree that it can prove inconclusive with passes appearing forwards from some angles and backwards from others.

The discussion on here has been more subtle than that though, it has focussed on whether the ball travelled forward (ie towards Bradford's goal-line) when released by Sinfield and received by Delaney.

In that respect the cameras were expertly positioned looking straight down the centre line.

The legality of the pass is a separate issue where opinion will quite naturally vary.

Really?

Yeah, why not.