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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"And I think in this case the word you are looking for is moron, rather than moral.'"
Ok, I'll run with that then.
I will let you and your MORON answer that one.
Not too hot on the grammar.....is you.
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| Quote ="G1"I'll form an opinion after watching them face off against each other this Sunday rather than based upon some mathematical formula.
I'll look at aggression in defence, power of collision, speed of play the ball and penalties won. All stats which are far more important than those listed above and which are rarely quantified.'"
So you don't watch the game armed with a pad and pen ready to tally frantically??!!!!
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| rob, your a great lad but i think thats bollox mate. RL has always had lots of black players and apart from the odd trip to leigh i have never heard racist abuse.
the guys who slag him simply don't like him because he winds them up as much as there team, and tey don't see what he brings to the team.
add to that nobody likes leeds full stop and he is an easy target
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"knock it on the head won't you. It makes you look stupid, and weakens your genuine points when you insinuate people don't like him because they are racist'"
It makes me look stupid???
Right back at you mate.
You keep your head stuck in the sand.
The e people come out with in his direction, from on here to in the stands to in the pub is just plain vile. What motivates them to speak that way? His actions on the pitch don't back their argument up. So what is ??? I wonder???
Wake up.
I'm not saying everyone has racist undertones towards him. Far from it. But I'm judging on what I've heard. I can't do more than that.
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| Quote ="Puig-Aubert"However, Bailey is frequently described as a 'thug', 'animal' or 'work shy' or similar. All terms used by racists to describe black people generally.'"
All also aimed at Leon Pryce by Leeds fans - are you all racist too?
Perhaps, and I know this is a big stretch, people call him a thug because he's been locked up for being such and can behave as such on the pitch. And work shy because his carries are low for a (former) international prop and in comparison to other front line props?
Just a thought
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"All also aimed at Leon Pryce by Leeds fans - are you all racist too?
Perhaps, and I know this is a big stretch, people call him a thug because he's been locked up for being such and can behave as such on the pitch. And work shy because his carries are low for a (former) international prop and in comparison to other front line props?
Just a thought
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You are right with your undertone, but wrong to say they call him a thug because of been locked up.
There is this complete myth that Bailey is a coward who gives constant cheap shots on the field. All completely untrue that opposition fans have convinced themselve of.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"All also aimed at Leon Pryce by Leeds fans - are you all racist too?
Perhaps, and I know this is a big stretch, people call him a thug because he's been locked up for being such and can behave as such on the pitch. And work shy because his carries are low for a (former) international prop and in comparison to other front line props?
Just a thought
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The only thing aimed at Pryce on this board is derision for failing to show up in the Grand Finals. Nothing more.
There's obvious racist undertones in the hatred shown towards Bailey. It couldn't be any clearer.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"All also aimed at Leon Pryce by Leeds fans - are you all racist too?
Perhaps, and I know this is a big stretch, people call him a thug because he's been locked up for being such and can behave as such on the pitch. And work shy because his carries are low for a (former) international prop and in comparison to other front line props?
Just a thought
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How about Graham? are we Gingerist too?
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"How about Graham? are we Gingerist too?'"
And therein lies the nonsensical nature of the Bailey "race" claims.
I think Burrow and McGuire are overrated and Eastmond and Pryce are the better halves. I sure do hate those honkies. BLACK POWER!
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| I don't think it's got anything to do with colour.
Most leeds players are referred to as thugs at one time or another (by bitter opposition fans), even little rob burrow.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"rob, your a great lad but i think thats bollox mate. RL has always had lots of black players and apart from the odd trip to leigh i have never heard racist abuse.the guys who slag him simply don't like him because he winds them up as much as there team, and tey don't see what he brings to the team.
add to that nobody likes leeds full stop and he is an easy target'"
You obviously never went to the Boulevard in the "good old days" when Hanley played for us.
I was appalled at the racist bile spouted against him & never went back to watch rugby there since.
I'm wrestling with my conscience about going back there a week on Sunday since I think that the Rhinos will need all the support we can muster.
PS I know they now play at the KC but have the fans changed that much?
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"All also aimed at Leon Pryce by Leeds fans - are you all racist too?
l:'"
Pryce is/was a very talented player who has to go down as oe of the most influential and certainly most successful players of the SL era. But I'm a tist, I just hate s, and he can be a prize one.
I hadn't even noticed what colour he was. Maybe that's the way some people see Bailey as well.
I remember the monkey noises visiting fans used to make when Roy Powell touched the ball and the South Stand replying by chanting "ignorance is boring".
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| Quote ="G1"The only thing aimed at Pryce on this board is derision for failing to show up in the Grand Finals. Nothing more.'"
I must have imagined the posters on here making reference to his king-hit on Sinfield when he was still at Bradford, or his fondness for fondling the knackers of opponents, or his various off-field misdemeanours.
If you're looking for the moral high ground, it pays to take a working compass.
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| Quote ="G1"Mcguire. And the workload will only get heavier for him after he glaring misses over Easter that led to tries.'"
Possible - but was his miss against the Bulls any worse than Delanney's?
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| Quote ="Old Feller"You obviously never went to the Boulevard in the "good old days" when Hanley played for us.
I was appalled at the racist bile spouted against him & never went back to watch rugby there since.
I'm wrestling with my conscience about going back there a week on Sunday since I think that the Rhinos will need all the support we can muster.
PS I know they now play at the KC but have the fans changed that much?'"
i only got into RL around 1993 so i missed that 'pleasure'. i did go to the boulevard and after one visit i never returned
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"I must have imagined the posters on here making reference to his king-hit on Sinfield when he was still at Bradford, or his fondness for fondling the knackers of opponents, or his various off-field misdemeanours.
If you're looking for the moral high ground, it pays to take a working compass.'"
yes but those were quantifiable complaints about a player who had been found guilty of foul play.
The same level of complaint levelled at bailey bears no scrutiny given his impeccible diciplinary record, which is the point.
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| Quote ="G1"The same level of complaint levelled at bailey bears no scrutiny given his impeccible diciplinary record, which is the point.'"
How many chicken wings so far this year?
Since 7/3/08 (seems to be the furthest back the search lets you go with Bailey), he's visited the RFL disciplinary 16 times compared to Pryce's 7.
Not bad considering Pryce probably plays double the minutes.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"How many chicken wings so far this year?
Since 7/3/08 (seems to be the furthest back the search lets you go with Bailey), he's visited the RFL disciplinary 16 times compared to Pryce's 7.
Not bad considering Pryce probably plays double the minutes.'"
but for large parts of games defends next to the winger.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"How many chicken wings so far this year?
Since 7/3/08 (seems to be the furthest back the search lets you go with Bailey), he's visited the RFL disciplinary 16 times compared to Pryce's 7.
Not bad considering Pryce probably plays double the minutes.'"
Was that 16 times visited, or 16 times reviewed? Remember the Tuesday night is the visiting.
Also of those visits how many games has Bailey been banned for? How many has Pryce been banned for? That is surely what is more relevant.
Edit to say, by the way it is 10 times for Pryce not 7.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"How many chicken wings so far this year?
Since 7/3/08 (seems to be the furthest back the search lets you go with Bailey), he's visited the RFL disciplinary 16 times compared to Pryce's 7.
Not bad considering Pryce probably plays double the minutes.'"
And what bans has Bailey received compared to Pryce?
And how many of Ryan's visits was he found guilty or charged??
Or is he being pulled up on his reputation?
On field antics don't even go there with Leon!!
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| Quote ="Old Feller"You obviously never went to the Boulevard in the "good old days" when Hanley played for us. I was appalled at the racist bile spouted against him & never went back to watch rugby there since.'"
What about when the SouthStanders of Headingley chanted and even threw bananas at Wigan's Green Vigo did you have a similar wrestle with your conscious then too?
All clubs are/were tarnished.
The Boulevard was always a thoroughly intimidating and unpleasant ground to visit anyway. The only one that I wouldn't wear club colours to.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Was that 16 times visited, or 16 times reviewed? Remember the Tuesday night is the visiting.'"
No idea, CBA reading through them all at work. I imagine the majority were cautions since he never seems to cop bans.
Quote ="Gotcha"Also of those visits how many games has Bailey been banned for? How many has Pryce been banned for? That is surely what is more relevant.'"
Wigan fans used to say the same about Newton until he finally copped a long ban. Didn't stop him being a dirty b*stard (not that Bailey is even in the same league).
Quote ="Gotcha"Edit to say, by the way it is 10 times for Pryce not 7.'"
Not since Bailey's first recorded visit it isn't.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee" :22g6b769 I imagine the majority were cautions since he never seems to cop bans
er, there could be a reason for this don't you think
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"No idea, CBA reading through them all at work. I imagine the majority were cautions since he never seems to cop bans.
Not since Bailey's first recorded visit it isn't.'"
3 cautions out of those 16 reviews, with no visits to the disciplinary. Looked myself. Kind of backs up the thoughts that silly reputation is preceding him rather than actions. Much like the way the referees seem to act also.
How is that last sentence relevant? surely it's about how many times reviewed. You can not just match up the starting dates. Just because Bailey did nothing viewed wrongley until after the first time Pryce was in the same position.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"How is that last sentence relevant? surely it's about how many times reviewed. You can not just match up the starting dates. Just because Bailey did nothing viewed wrongley until after the first time Pryce was in the same position.'"
I have no idea how the RFL database works, so wanted a similar timescale.
Anyway, my past comments on here have been about Bailey's work rate and effectiveness - not that he is a "thug". I've also previously commented that he seems to be having a cracking season and upped his game.
I just get bored of the race card being played with him - there are plenty of white players who get criticisised for their performances in SL.
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