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| Quote ="tvoc"I had a few opinions last season (I'll likely as not have a few more this one also as it unfolds.) I'm out there.
I have no wish to speak to Paul Cullen ever (has he divulged or withdrawn last weeks 'tip of the iceberg' drug abuse allegations yet?) but I will still take note of what he has to say, I presume this will be on Boots 'N All will it?
Any news on Donald yet?'"
It was on a bit I saw (I am recording it for later viewing). He basically highlights this Leuaki character as the reason for Hulls defeat. Does a real hatchet job on him.
That was all I saw. I hope but don't expect, Eddie to ask him about the RFLs response to his rambling rant.
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| Quote ="G1"It was on a bit I saw (I am recording it for later viewing). He basically highlights this Leuaki character as the reason for Hulls defeat. Does a real hatchet job on him.
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Just watching it now, Cullen hatchet job is right. From that I'd say Lauaki just needs to reign it in slightly otherwise an excellent example of the type of niggling away that ruffles the opposition set.
Some might say reminiscent of what Ryan Bailey does so effectively for Leeds when he's on his game.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Just watching it now, Cullen hatchet job is right. From that I'd say Lauaki just needs to reign it in slightly otherwise an excellent example of the type of niggling away that ruffles the opposition set.
Some might say reminiscent of what Ryan Bailey does so effectively for Leeds when he's on his game.'"
Effective being the key word. That didn't look effective.
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| McClennan himself and Sinfield have said things along the lines Eastwood has about the whole team being focussed on the WCC. Lets hope if they lose they don't go and lose a bunch more games afterwards in another WCC hangover.
TBH if that's been the attitude its no surprise at all if we've struggled to date. Personally I think its the wrong way to warm up for a big game - I think the old Wigan approach of playing harder if anything in the run up to a cup final is the way to go. It's also a red rag - if any were needed - for our opponents to be effectively treated as pre-season games.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"None of the players have been "busting a gut" although JJB comes pretty close.
However, accepted I used a wrong choice of words. By "busting a gut" I meant on top of their game, which is what you alluded to in your second sentence.
Forgetting all about the WCC, and assuming we had another normal game this weekend, do you believe that all the players who played last week (whom were the same that played the week before) would be deserving of their spot this week? If anybody does, then I can not accept that you believe we have a strong squad.'"
Who would you drop and who would you bring in?
For mine the only player who seems to have had a raw deal is Burgess.
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| Quote ="G1"Effective being the key word. That didn't look effective.'"
It's all in the editing. Three penalties in three games is an acceptable price to pay if getting under the skin of the opposition is part of carrying out your coach's game plan.
Just as the Headingley highlights appeared to concentrate on Leeds targeting one of the Salford wingers with considerable success. Though Cullen still managed to describe the Salford number 5 (Gibson is it?) as the centre caught out of position when to everyone else he played on the right wing all night.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"But surely this particular game would be exceptional to the salary cap.
Only one team can appear in it. Therefore it would be unfair to penalise that team that appears in it by including any payments in the cap. That would immediately put that team at a disadvantage to the other sides, as the other sides are not taking part.
The cap for leveling out the competition is exactly that, for the Super League competition. The WCC is outside the super league competition.'"
Then it could be argued that you pay a big chunk of your cap on this one game - thereby creating significant space under your cap for the rest of the season?
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"Its an interesting exception that, doesn't really sit with the idea that the salary cap is used to level out the competition.
A £100k contract at Leeds or St Helens over the last 6 years must have been worth significantly more than a £100k contract at castleford or even Wigan'"
Isn't that what Sinfield alluded to in his post match interview after the WCC
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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"Then it could be argued that you pay a big chunk of your cap on this one game - thereby creating significant space under your cap for the rest of the season?'"
The prize money is £50,000 shared. That is what is been talked about. If the players were getting £100k each for this one game and £2 a week for the rest of the season, then I understand the argument.
But what we are talking about there is one exceptional game, that only one team in Super League can compete in, with it been clear and upfront what they are doing.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"David, the results are not the issue as far as I am concerned, I don't how you read that from my post. What is an issue is performance, and inparticular the performances of some of the players.
My question was, with such a game coming up and with the prize money on offer (as heard today), I would have expected the players to have been busting a gut to get to play in that game, considering IMO the squad strength available. What we have seen is completely the oppossite and I therefore raised the question that players appear to be guaranteed spots regardless of their form.
You like previous posters have basically confirmed that question that players are guaranteed their position. Personally I don't like that, and am a strong believer that players should earn their spot, which in several cases I don't think they are doing this season yet.
The rest of your post I entirely dissagree with and therefore won't bother arguing about it.'"
You are stating the obvious - so Sinfield had a poor game on Friday, Peacock was so so - you would not drop Sinfield if he had 10 bad games on the trot - experienced players have earned the latitude that McClennan gives them.
Again I come back to a point I have consistently made - why do we as fans expect the players to have the same priorities as us. The WCC is the least important of the so-called major games, so important to Melbourne that they have left half a side in Australia targeted with being fit for round 1 of the NRL. Maybe the players also have a similar view - it is a nice to win but pales into insignificance compared to the CC final, GF or even a win away at Saints.
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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"Again I come back to a point I have consistently made - why do we as fans expect the players to have the same priorities as us. The WCC is the least important of the so-called major games, so important to Melbourne that they have left half a side in Australia targeted with being fit for round 1 of the NRL. Maybe the players also have a similar view - it is a nice to win but pales into insignificance compared to the CC final, GF or even a win away at Saints.'"
Which is completely the oppossite to what the players have said yesterday, and what the thread is all about.
The players have said they have been offered to share this prize money, and their mindset has been on this game. Eastwood said that all McClennan has gone on about since he arrived, is Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne. A little bit dissapointed in that from McClennan if true to be honest.
Furthermore stated that this is perhaps the reason why they have not been fully focussed on the last 4 games.
My point was that if this game was so important then you would have expected the players to be on top of their game in order to get the chance to play in it. I have not seen that from any player but JJB, and therefore I questioned whether the players are in a comfort zone of having their places guaranteed. By the responses of some on here, I would argue that is pretty much the case.
By the way who is this half a side left by Melbourne. By all accounts it is 3 players, and one of those would have been unlikely to have got in the side.
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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"so important to Melbourne that they have left half a side in Australia targeted with being fit for round 1 of the NRL. '"
Just so we can validate this point at a later date, which are the players Melbourne have left behind in order for them to be fit for Round 1 in the NRL?
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| Quote ="tvoc"Just so we can validate this point at a later date, which are the players Melbourne have left behind in order for them to be fit for Round 1 in the NRL?'"
More to the point they are missing 5 players from their GF winning side. 4 of which have left the club.
Quinn is now available who would have been in the GF side had he been fit.
Now they have added new players including this over hyped future star of Widdup, who is here for Sunday.
Where is the half of team missing?
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| Quote ="tvoc"Just so we can validate this point at a later date, which are the players Melbourne have left behind in order for them to be fit for Round 1 in the NRL?'"
Starter for one Cooper Cronk
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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"Starter for one Cooper Cronk'"
Yes, I knew about Cronk being unavailable for the WCC. We'll have to wait and see if he's back on the paddock in Round 1 also at this point.
Next?
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| Brett White - this could go on a while
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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"this could go on a while'"
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Why are we drip feeding the names one by one?
Just name them alltogether. It'll be easier that way.
Brett White doesn't sound hopeful of making Round 1 of the NRL season here:
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Why are we drip feeding the names one by one?
Just name them alltogether. It'll be easier that way.
Brett White doesn't sound hopeful of making Round 1 of the NRL season here:
www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/m ... public_rss
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| If Eastwood is only bothered about the money then his attitude is wrong. Back to the attitude of the 80s.
The more I hear the more disillusioned I get with the current state of the club.
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Quote ="tvoc"Why are we drip feeding the names one by one?
Just name them alltogether. It'll be easier that way.
Brett White doesn't sound hopeful of making Round 1 of the NRL season here:
www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/m ... public_rss'"
Sika Manu?
Hopefully the "big three" will all play, all great players to watch.
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Just name them alltogether. It'll be easier that way.
Brett White doesn't sound hopeful of making Round 1 of the NRL season here:
www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/m ... public_rss'"
Sika Manu?
Hopefully the "big three" will all play, all great players to watch.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Sika Manu?'"
Another player who didn't play in last years GF team.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Another player who didn't play in last years GF team.
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Quinn is another and he isn't the last - so that's 4
The real test not be who isn't here but of those that are who gets selected - if they field their strongest possible side i.e. close to side they field for round 1 of the NRL you know they are taking seriously.
However if the team they field differs by 6/7 players especially on the bench then that is an indication as to how seriously they have taken the game
Time will tell - as long as they play Slater, Inglis and Smith I will be happy - that is the only reason I am going to the game.
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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"Quinn is another and he isn't the last - so that's 4
The real test not be who isn't here but of those that are who gets selected - if they field their strongest possible side i.e. close to side they field for round 1 of the NRL you know they are taking seriously.
However if the team they field differs by 6/7 players especially on the bench then that is an indication as to how seriously they have taken the game
Time will tell - as long as they play Slater, Inglis and Smith I will be happy - that is the only reason I am going to the game.'"
David, excuse me, but that is rubbish.
The strongest hint is if they play as close =#FF0080as available to their GF winning side, which is of course the reason they got to play this game. As 4 players have left the Melbourne storm since then, Turner, Chambers, Johnsson, and Anderson it is quite obvious that 4 changes would need to be made straight away. Nobody on this forum is knowledgebable enough to know who the 4 players the club have chosen to replace those 4.
We also know that Quinn is here and he would have been playing in that GF team had he been fit.
The only thing for certain is that from that GF winning side, only Cronk and White are still at the club who have not made the trip. That is a million miles away from half the side been left back home. And 2 players missing is a regular occurance in any match including finals.
There is no getting away from the fact that from last years two respective finals teams that are still at the club, that Leeds are missing 2 players and Storm are missing 2 players. What's fairer than that?
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| Leeds will be missing Ablett, Donald and Lee Smith from last years' GF winning team.
Are we not taking this game seriously?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"David, excuse me, but that is rubbish.
The strongest hint is if they play as close =#FF0080as available to their GF winning side, which is of course the reason they got to play this game. As 4 players have left the Melbourne storm since then, Turner, Chambers, Johnsson, and Anderson it is quite obvious that 4 changes would need to be made straight away. Nobody on this forum is knowledgebable enough to know who the 4 players the club have chosen to replace those 4.
We also know that Quinn is here and he would have been playing in that GF team had he been fit.
The only thing for certain is that from that GF winning side, only Cronk and White are still at the club who have not made the trip. That is a million miles away from half the side been left back home. And 2 players missing is a regular occurance in any match including finals.
There is no getting away from the fact that from last years two respective finals teams that are still at the club, that Leeds are missing 2 players and Storm are missing 2 players. What's fairer than that?'"
As I said earlier time will tell how seriously they are taking it when you compare the side that plays on Sunday to the side that plays round 1 of the NRL season. Comparing grand final teams is a red herring as well you know - are they fielding the strongest side available that is the question. Manley fielded an almost full strength side and we all saw what happened.
Just because they say how important the game is doesn't automatically mean that is the case. McClennan may be genuinely mistified as to poor form on the field and is pinning his hopes on this being the reason. Bellamy has been uncommitted as to the importance - only he would like to win.
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