We won two out of the next four Grand Finals. How high were your expectations?

david,

I have always said I hoped Mclennan would go on to eclipse Smith. I still hope he does. I still think he might. I have written anybody off this year.

What irks me is the hypocritical way people on here judge McLennan compared to how they judged Smith.

Oh and yes. Sinfield would be my captain until he retires. I'd imagine his team mates feel the same way, including JP.

I think it might be along the lines of winning enough to shut Stirlingshire Saint up permenantly. But there simply aren't that many trophies in all of World sport for that.

I think Eccleshill Rhino is correct, we need to break up the team, just like Alex Ferguson sold Giggs, O'Shea, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes etc. Like Saints sold Cunningham, Long, Wellens, Gardner, Roby etc.

For us to be successful again lets sell Webb, Smith, McGuire, Burrow & Sinfield.

The very least Sinfield deserves for his recent games not being played to his usual high standard is to be stripped of the captaincy - just to restore his confidence.

Gareth you are just as hypocritical about McClennan as I have said his record stands comparison to Smith in any way you want but you do not judge McClennan as you do Smith.

You never critisised Smith and times his decisions were poor and performances were dire yet you consistently bag McClennan - that is hypocritical even you have to admit that?

Interest in RL had reached a real low during the Wigan era - that is bad for business - nobody wants a foregone conclusion - I personally think GH would make a great bossman for RL his love for the game in unparralled in the UK.

I never once said he did not want Leeds to be successful - winning everything would give a certain success on the field but not to the business as a whole.

Why do Leeds have Cummins, Poaching, McDermott on the coaching staff because they are the best available - no because GH is loyal to those that have been loyal to him - is that long term proposition? not sure I would want McDermott in charge of some of my most valuable commidities!!!

If you were Alex Ferguson do you think he would have Beckham in charge of youth development or an experienced coach/manger with a proved track record?

If Leeds win the comp reasonably regularly then that is a good thing winning it every year is not. Unless he failed to learn from his mistakes - and he doesn't seem like that to me - why would he commit the same error as 2004?

David Cummins has now been a number 2 for several years if he wasn't up to the jobI'm sure he'd have been moved on as I'm sure Poching and McDermott will be also if they prove they are not up to it also.
Who would you have as the number 2 ?

I don't think that's correct. The late 70's and early 80's were dire in regards to gate numbers. They were in growth all during the late 80's and early 90's. We were also very competitive internationaly and really should have beaten the Aussies in 90 and 92.
As an emblem for the game nationaly Wigan lifted the profile of League and did a lot for the product (which is good for everybody). I was extremely proud of my sport when Wigan turned up to the Middlesex Sevens and destroyed everyone in spectacular fashion. They helped trnasform the image of League and set things up for Superleague.
I don't want a situation where there is no salary cap as some clubs (including ours) got in the poop trying to spend as much as Wigan, but could a period of 3-4 years of near total Leeds dominance be bad for the game? I think not. I don't think it's possible due to the cap but I can't see how it could hurt the game agt all.

When we move the ball we look ok, We are playing a lot down middle and nowhere near as expansive as before , We are also giving away far too many penalties away

We must agree to differ

A young coach from Australia who has seen the Aussies coaching methodology and conditioning techniques who can bring some new ideas who would be less familiar with the players - in the past that would have been a Jason Taylor or Steven Kearney.

Ah, an Australian. Because nobody in this country would have a clue how they train down under.

Don't you think a number 2 should be the one who is famiiar with the players because I do?

So the team Ferguson had when he first won the title included the likes of Beckham, Giggs etc not it didn't, how many of the Beckham Giggs are still playing 2/3 Ferguson has had 4 different sides since his time at Man U look at the serious players he has moved on - Stamp, Cole, Beckham, Butt the goal scorer they sold to Real Madrid can't remember his name etc etc

For us to be successful again lets standstill do nothing - whilst other clubs pass us by - why not good plan that!!

So if Sinfield continues his poor form you keep selecting him and let he be captain - great stuff!!!

If they did our players would be as fit and strong as the Australians something which has been proved not to be the case for many years now - so it would appear we do lack the knowledge of how to prepare our players correctly both physically and technically. Only a fool would suggest the training methods in SL are anywhere near the level in the NRL.

You saw the world cup do you honestly believe we are anywhere near the level of the Aussies or the Kiwis?

Look at the 2 most successful coaches in recent SL history where did they come from GB - how many British coaches have won a GF - 2 how many Aussies/Kiwis!!!

No not at all - the coaches should coach and the players play if you blur that you have problems. Reserve grade coaching is a different matter then I would agree with you because that is about identifying those with potential and nuturing them to their potential.

Gave away less than Salford did yesterday and still couldn't beat the City Slickers.

Aussie / Kiwis = 7

GB = 4

Up until the last three seasons it was 4 a piece.

The standard of British coaches is the equivilent of the standard of the British game - poor.

Maybe this goes to show why a coach roundly accepted as been tactically naive in the NRL has ripped it up in ESL, yes step forward Nathan Brown.

True but my point was about OUR conceeded penalties mate, Far too many and then leads to threads about poor refs etc, Sure Smith had a fine policy for giving away penalties ( could be wrong )

Just to point out the small logic slip amidst all that pontificating there - Bluey is from where?
So why do we need to sack three guys who are obviously doing the job their employers want just employ a f******g Australian of some description.

And has Bluey coached in the NRL?

Has he coached a club side at the highest level on a weely basis (I aren't talking Bartercard here!!).

I'm sure when he was in charge of New Zealand they let him look at the mystical magic book of Australian and Kiwi training methods. Maybe they didn't? Maybe it's something that they only show to reserve grade junior coaches in the NRL, of the like that we should be recruiting?

Thanks for not answering the question, so I will answer it for you, no he hasn't coached in the NRL and no he hasn't coached a top side on a day to day basic unless of course you count the Rhinos.

And there lies the problem, coaching New Zealand over a short period of time means training methods are very much designed to deliver fast win objectives, its also a lot about bringing a group of players together and getting them to bond quickly which I think you will find is where our illustriuos coach comes into his won.

However and this is the big one, arm round shoulder coaching works short term (ala Tri-Nations), long term its been proven time and time again that it fails, and it will fail with Leeds.

Ah now. Here we see you not reading the thread before you type a load of cack ("I aren't talking Bartercard here" priceless..

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Go and read what your idiot twin brother Eccleshill was talking about. Christ you two didn't fall far from the numpty tree did you?