you wanna be careful throwing that card around...

i dont have a problem with bailey in general, i like my props to have a bit of c*** about them - thats how it should be. its just not needed when you hammering the other team. he was like it at junior rugby, always taking any opportunity to smash the little kids up who didnt have a chance. he doesnt ALWAYS front up against the big teams

Any specifics yet?

Quote ="MHL"again its the intent, not the actually damage you do. temperature in the ground/on the pitch has f*ck all to do with the rules. its not a kids game, or a mess about on the park, the ref is there to call the rules, not to decide 'what's best'* smith didn't punch out, he pushed out. big difference, and after having his hair pulled, given a facial and saints trying to slow the ball down. it was a fairly normal reaction (not saying it was correct or what we should have in our game), that's normally ignored and play continues. gilmour then throws 5/6 punches at a player still on his knee's. yet has nothing done to him, yeh wise call * on that note, what the hell was with bentham's "you're going in with too much force" to bailey legal challenge on wilkin'" To be fair, I'm not sure it's Gilmour who gives most of the facial. If you watch www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_7/ you might be left wondering exactly what role Pryce is playing, and more to the point where his hands are. Also worth looking at around the 5 minute mark where Burrow gets laid out. I thought he'd been clattered by Long's knee when I saw it on Friday - looks more like he's hit by a leading elbow when replayed.

Quote ="MHL"again its the intent, not the actually damage you do. temperature in the ground/on the pitch has f*ck all to do with the rules. its not a kids game, or a mess about on the park, the ref is there to call the rules, not to decide 'what's best'* smith didn't punch out, he pushed out. big difference, and after having his hair pulled, given a facial and saints trying to slow the ball down. it was a fairly normal reaction (not saying it was correct or what we should have in our game), that's normally ignored and play continues. gilmour then throws 5/6 punches at a player still on his knee's. yet has nothing done to him, yeh wise call * on that note, what the hell was with bentham's "you're going in with too much force" to bailey legal challenge on wilkin'" To be fair, I'm not sure it's Gilmour who gives most of the facial. If you watch www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_7/ you might be left wondering exactly what role Pryce is playing, and more to the point where his hands are. Also worth looking at around the 5 minute mark where Burrow gets laid out. I thought he'd been clattered by Long's knee when I saw it on Friday - looks more like he's hit by a leading elbow when replayed.

Here I draw my own experience:

He made me bleed at junior level. I was playing for Oulton Raiders, he was playing for Mirfield. I have always been a big lad, but he was huge. He gave me a hell of a hand-off. Bust my lip, I got up and tackled him from behind (with the help of another guy). We got tonked. He was at another level. He was a nice lad off the field. He smashed everyone, like he does now. That was his job. And I really don't see your point.

I take it your invite to the Bailey meet has already been posted by Special Delivery.

realising my error, maurie isnt a little kid...

and just because he doesnt get caught doesnt mean he isnt dirty!

and i cant comment on fridays game as im in germany at the minute and im having trouble with the internet so i couldnt 'listen' to the game on the radio...

Oh no!!!!

Watch is ASAP and get back to us with more ramblings.

Can't wait.

i cant find anything on youtube and i cant watch it on bbc as im not in the uk


im not trying to defend graham. ive not seen it.

i just get tired of RL fans, moaning about 3rd man.

if youve never seen Bailey giving cheap digs on the floor, your blind.

So no specific incidents then.

Maybe you should write to the RFL - their refs don't seem to spot it too often. Maybe they're blind as well?

Welcome to rugby league.

The 'niggle' was invented long before Bailey was even born. And long may in continue. I don't think you want to see hard rugby at all. Fancy a game of touch and pass?

lets make a comparrison; whos disciplinary record is the worst, morley peacock or bailey?

it isnt Bailey, but fans dont like him because he does it cheap. morley and peacock never take a backwards step and usually do it in an honest fashion.

i never said i had anything agaisnt bailey, just explained why fans dont like him! every team has a dirty niggling little b******, fans just dont like Bailey doing it because he's a prop and he acts the big man. he should look at how peacock goes about, thats a real prop.

interested to note Barry's comments about Bailey in the GF re run last night

which where...?

Yes but Bailey's not white is he? Doesn't know his place does he?

Do you realise how stupid you are? You post something that indicates Peacock and Morley have worse discipline but you and other fans "just don't like him".

You can't elucidate your reasoning with any actual events so it becomes even clearer what is underlying in this Bailey hatred so many suffer from.

I agree G1.

he gets stuck in - rattles the opposition and their fans.

Its' been hinted at by Mr Heron's face hair and other posters and I think the evidence is gathering.

Like-able enforcers with far, far, far worse records than baileys' seem to have the underlying respect of the RLFans community. Ask them about Morley or Barrie Mac and they were nice big cuddly white enforcers. They think Peacock, who has started two fights and been lucky to receive only two yellow cards THIS SEASON, is to be admired for not taking liberties.

But when an uppety Ryan Bailey gets above his station and starts doing what he is paid to do, be an enforcer in the Leeds pack, it's just not cricket. They hate his dirty play, they hate his cheap shots, they despise his acts of thuggery but when you break it all down he doesn't play dirty, he doesn't take cheap shots and his disciplinary record is one of the best in the league.

I am afraid there is no other logical explanation for the feelings Ryan invokes in opposition fans so when the racists posts their racism I intend to call them on it.

lets get this right:

you think that fans dislike for Ryan Bailey is purely racially motivated?!

he isn't the only black player in the leeds team is he?

i think when he first came on the scene everyone had high hopes for him as a gb prop and he did well. but when his form dropped this niggly side came into his game. he's prob playing his best rugby for a long time now, so we've not seen as much of it. trouble is he's made the rep and he's got to live with it

I am starting to, yes. I've given you every opportunity to quantify your hatred some other way but you've failed to do so.

No. I bet you have friends who are black don't you?

What rep? What has he done? Give me some specific examples? What has he done to "earn" this rep, beyond being a hard, black prop forward in a dominant Leeds team?

He plays it hard. And by what Bloodbath says always has. Wish Bradford had him to be honest. His run and then around to Graham should prove something to the doubters. Plus he upsets the opposition forwards from their game plan. Made the game go up a few gears too for the neutral.

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Good lord! Where did you quote that from?


Regarding Bailey's rep....

There will always be those who will bring up his stretch inside.

And as for this race card, you really are scraping the barrell.

He'd be no good at Bradford, just look at Scruts!

this may be covered in the thread but

Bailey has played for 3 (?) coaches at the club, who all pick him most weeks when fit - some people must rate him, think he offers good value for whatever he is paid.

scruton

You see, you've got that all wrong. Him going sideways looking for Graham proves he's soft, because he had to go behind Leeds players to get there. Forget the fact he was deliberately picking out an already rattled opponent, that's was just a clever smokescreen on Ryan's part.

OK with that?