Its not just McGuire for some reason not many of our players are held in high regard by other teams fans, just start a thread on the VT about Sinfield, McGuire, Senior, Bailey, Smith etc and see how many positive replys you get, but despite carrying these players somehow we haven't done too bad over the past few years

Plus I dont think Shearer would have been classed as any greater if he had been at Man U. Just think how poor Newcastle would hae been without his goals both which he scored and the heaps that he set up.

Nice valued oppinion as always

Takes one to know one, as the saying goes.

Hey, when it comes to talking League im all serious

Why?

For my own interest I compiled the following before the season started. It's the Top 10 list (from the summer era) of Leeds try scorers per appearance. With the exception of a few who only played a couple of times, Mcguire finishes well on top.


Player------------------Try------Total App-----Try/App
Paddy Handley---------2-----------2-------------1
Dean Bell---------------1------------1------------1
Danny McGuire--------135---------166----------0.813253012
Marcus Bai--------------42----------57-----------0.736842105
Brent Webb------------37----------52------------0.711538462
Mark Calderwood------88----------126----------0.698412698
Tonie Carroll-----------30----------44------------0.681818182
Kallum Watkins--------2------------3-------------0.666666667
Scott Donald-----------54----------86------------0.627906977
Kevin Iro---------------9-----------16------------0.5625

He's lucky that i'm in a good mood today or he wouldn't be able to defend his opinion, if he can't defend it then he may have to chalk up "Tony Ferrino" as another dead account

Ohhh... in that case




Tony, why is that your view on Calderwood then? Please elaborate.

Not going to go into it over the board buddy.

Probably shouldn't have brought it up at all then should you?

and in the world cup semi where he was outstanding

he was the best england player on the pitch that day IMO (not that thats saying much!)

I would agree with your conclusion in regards to McGuire but I think the table looks more like this

As Above: (I presume) Leeds SL Regular Rounds Only

Player------------------Try------Total App-----Try/App
1 - Paddy Handley---------2-----------2-------------1
2 - Dean Bell---------------1------------1------------1
3 - Danny McGuire--------125---------151----------0.8278
4 - Marcus Bai--------------39----------52-----------0.75
5 - Brent Webb------------34----------47------------0.7234
6 - Tonie Carroll-----------30----------42------------0.7143
7 - Mark Calderwood------84----------118----------0.7119
8 - Scott Donald-----------53----------79------------0.6709
9 - Kallum Watkins--------2------------3-------------0.6667
10 - Kevin Iro---------------9-----------16------------0.5625

If you widen it out to include All Competitive Leeds Fixtures in the SL Era:

Player------------------Try------Total App-----Try/App
1 - Paddy Handley---------2-----------2-------------1
2 - Dean Bell---------------1------------1------------1
3 - Danny McGuire--------150---------187----------0.8021
4 - Mark Calderwood------106----------143----------0.7413
5 - Brent Webb------------40----------55------------0.7273
6 - Marcus Bai--------------45----------63-----------0.7143
7 - Scott Donald-----------69----------97------------0.7113
8 - Danny Williams--------12-----------18------------0.6667
9 - Tonie Carroll-----------31----------50------------0.6200
10 - Kallum Watkins--------3------------5-------------0.6000

Interesting. This figures I used came from the Gillette Year Book. I'll check them tonight to ensure i didn't enter the wrong figure into excel.


Either way, I didn't expect McGuire to be above all of our wingers.

The first principal of record keeping is to disagree with everyone else's records.

I don't use books or programmes to double check any of my stats but if called on I can list every game that McGuire has played and list every point that he has scored (for Leeds) and the same would apply to any other Leeds player during the SL Era.



I did but there again it's an exercise I do most seasons and bar the anomalies McGuire is consistently out in front.

Thats fair enough! Unfortunately I don't have my own records hence the use of the yearbooks.



It's good to hear, however, that even in your stats McGuire is out in front.



I suppose the advantage of the yearbook figure is that its easier to compare McGuire to Pryce.

Player------------------Try------Total App-----Try/App
Danny McGuire--------135---------166----------0.813253012

vs

Leon Pryce-------------Try------Total App-----Try/App
At St. Helens-----------40-----------80----------0.5
At Bradford-------------86----------188---------0.4574
Total--------------------126---------268---------0.470149

Just going back to McGuire's game totals, could it be that the yearbook includes all SL fixtures (including play-offs), but not cup games?

At Bradford he played a lot of wing, full back and centre. I thought one of the reasons him leaving was to play SO?

It isn't always the sign of a great standoff to have an outstanding try scoring record.
Off the top of my head I bet Wally Lewis, Brad Fittler and Lawrie Daley (3 of the best in the last 30 years when the Aussies have ruled the roost) don't have outstanding tries scored per game statistics.
Not that I'm equating Pryce with those guys, far from it, but a great no6 has to have more to his game than simply scoring tries.
Don't get me wrong I rate mcGuire and always have done & there isn't another No6 in the superleague I'd rather have in our squad but it depends on the entire team and its overall strentghs & weaknesses that count in the end.
Good to argue the point though.

Thats why I included the scores seperately.

Even if you compared Pryce in his St. Helens Stand-Off role, McGuires rate of scoring is still a lot higher!

I hadn't realised that Pryce had played 100 games more than McGuire, I guess that means that Pryce is 3 years more experienced or so, something that should be borne in mind when comparing the two.

Thats a fair point.

...but is that a point in his favour, or a point in McGuires?

We have a winner. Well done your Lordship.

It works for McGuire at least. (I'll check a few more in a minute.)

No WCC, No Premiership and No Challenge Cup then. Leeds have played 57 such competitive 1st grade fixtures over the SL Era but there's the answer.

EDIT: McGuire, Bai, Calderwood, Donald and Webb all check out as SL Reg Rds + SL Play Offs.

Praise from the master, I'm well chuffed