Pffft..done nothing to impress on attack. Useless in fact. Jack Walker much more impressive FB and should be the more valued.

His attacking game should be based on linking in attack as he's way too small to play the same way as Hardaker did for Leeds. I'm genuinely surprised he isn't used as the extra link more often, especially with us effectively playing with only one passing halfback.

Never seen him once break the line, pretty decent defence though. But to be a good modern full back he needs better offense skills.

May be we should loan him to Cas to improve his offensive game

That`s just how he should play BR.
Let him play a similar role to the one Brent Webb played and to how Hardaker is playing now.
Was McDermott coaching us in the Brent Webb era?

I think his offensive game will develop. Seeing him in the academy there was no question of his attacking abilities but more of his defensive. He seems to have answered them for me now. He does need to now work on his attacking game but I think it is as much to do with Leeds tactics rather than him not having the ability. He isn't often the focal point of a planned move. He is at a great level for 20 years of age and I'm sure will develop into an all around great player.

From an outsider, I saw a lot of videos of Goulding in his academy days and his attacking prowess was his major impact. (forgive me if thats wrong though) I see a lot of people talking about his defence and not getting involved i attack. Rather than him not getting involved is it more the way McDermott is asking his full back to play? Looking at how hardaker is playing now he didnt show much of the passing game at your place. Happy for Goulding got backed with the number 1 shirt seems a good character to have about the place and will have the club at heart

Mistakes are an absolute no-no for a youngster in the team, highlighted even further at fullback.

I would agree his more conservative play is indeed coached and is an effort similar to the rest of the team of safety first, or as safe as it can be for Leeds.....

I don't feel optimistic he can be the long term fullback that is needed.
We all know how many tries he has saved but that is one of his main jobs.
We can't be waiting for years for his offensive game to get better, we want to be trying to win things now !!
If has no contribution in attack it's going to limit our chances of being successful.

were talking about Ashton Golding, don't know who this Goulding kid is. is he related to bobby

good news that we are tying up young players, cracking player, people getting on his case , he is 20 years old debuted at 18 and is now a regular and developing superbly, everyone praised his attack , but criticized his defense, but now its the other way around, he has obviously worked very hard on that part of his game, and i am sure his attacking skills will improve season on season. of course even if they don't who cares. some of the est full backs in my living memory were not great attacking players but were the best at being what they were the last line of defense. Keith Mumby Steve Hampson Gary Jack. etr. this modern fad of playing a half at fullback will eventually pass somewhat.

however he is a good attacking player and it will come through. but give the kid a chance this is is first year as first choice fullback.

The only recognised first choice / fit full back in the league who has yet to cross the whitewash , just 1 try assist too.

and yet you still felt the need to post about him on the rhinos forum

Yeah , not broken any rules have I?

Well he's obviously utter crap then and should be offloaded and thrown on the scrap heap at 20

as a Cas fan he's clearly an expert on intergrating academy graduates into first team football

Indeed. Took particular pleasure when Tom Holmes went the distance at the weekend.


Obviously wouldn't bin Golding off but a 5 year deal seems excessive for an okay full back.

Apologies must have auto corrected

I rest my case. Cas (as with Hardaker) is his future for making him complete after the regressive McDermott touch.

Jack Walker is the Leeds ready improved replacement.(as long as McDermott is gone of course)

Whilst the attack that has come from our FB's both past and present is a valid criticism. On the other side of the game, Hardaker became the best defensive FB under McDermott and Golding is well exceeding expectations in his defence. Did anybody truly believe he'd have so many try savers in him, definitely come on leaps and bounds with that aspect.

ah yes, the one who's a year older than Golding, has made all of 10 super league apps in his career, and couldnt hold down a starting position at Batley
maybe one day he could be okay at some position

I agree with this. I personally never thought his defenisve efforts would ever reach what he has shown so far, never mind so soon. I also like a good defensive fullback me over other things. My only issue with Goldings attack is that he makes rapid progress forward, then just runs sideways instead of going for the gap. This is something he does all the time instead of mixing it up. His support is there, whether his team mates see it or not.

I am not sure though what the big thing is on the length of contract, or in regards to Jack Walker. As far as I am aware Golding agreed this deal last year, not just now (yet another deal that Leeds hold quite until a later date), and Walker wasn't even on McDermotts radar at that stage. Not only that but Jack is predominently a half, not a full back. He is an excellent fullback, and prefers it, but the club see him as a half and that is where he plays.

Golding was handed the number 1 shirt on the back of agreeing this contract, and it's his to lose. See what happens longer term.

A long term contract is trade off of certainty against money - GH pays less than he would and the player gets an agreed length of time which is longer than normal. This is normal GH tactic - he has done it with a number of players. If things pan out the player will get an augmented arrangement e.g. Watkins.

We want to encourage development through the academy this seems a good way of others seeing a pathway.

I notice Morgan Smith is not in the 17 to face Leeds and Daniel Smith didn't make the Giants line up at the weekend?

The coaching team have done wonders on the defensive side of his game. When he made his debut he looked uncomfortable under the high ball and was rarely in the right spot to stop a break or hold someone over the line. Offensively we still seem to be setting up as though the ball is going to Hardaker and for all of Golding's skill he doesn't have the physicality to go through a player like Zak can. If we set up to attack a little deeper I'd imagine we would see his offensive game improve rapidly and our centres would relish the space Golding could provide with his footwork.

In regards to Walker I'm guessing that Leeds decided to mould him into a halfback as when he first joined he had Hardaker, Sutcliffe and Golding in front of him for the number 1 shirt and with his pure talent it's important to find a space for him.

This is positive news that Golding has been awarded with a 5 year contract n thoroughly deserved. Watching a number of interviews with him, he is very grounded, humble , intelligent ..dedicated young player. He knows he is not the finished article, far from it is aware of errors that he makes...yet has the determination to correct them. I also watched him when he was in the U19s n was regularly on the score sheet..there was nothing wrong with his attack.
Last season he came in for a lot of flack, especially on Facebook..people said he was a liability under the high ball...had been useless all season...Was same person spouting complete myth...which then others followed suit on..

At end of season match against NZ he was one of the stand out players. At beginning of 2016 season, yes he dropped two high balls in different matches ...after that he did not drop a high ball again...or least not to my knowledge....another area where he was vulnerable was not only catching a high ball but avoiding been pushed/ dragged / pulled back for a goal line drop out....whilst occasionally he is still caught out..he has improved his technique to avoid it...but sometimes it almost impossible especially if you got 5 players ensuring you forced out. The other comment on Facebook that he was useless for most of season, was completely inaccurate...as he was injured for most of it not returning until last 8 games...but eventually when back did well in a poor season.

I agree with others , he has been working hard on his defence but I have noted particularly in last match where he was trying to make more metres to get back to attack mode....Got to remember though whilst Mac is the head coach his skills were always in defence....I know he still playing in seniors but when ever I look at our academy players , especially U16s...they are great to watch in attack, very creative...why because of the influence of Rob Burrow...saw it previously in Judah Mazive who was wasted at trinity ...more recently in Harvey Whitely.....so perhaps give Burrow more of a role now than just playing he has the ability then maybe we will see the attack side of Golding again...even if Burrow not used in this capacity..Im confident Golding will develop into one of the games best FBs .