Never mind Bottom 4 which is nailed on, this Leeds team is on target to finish [ubottom[/u and, barring some divine intervention, miracles, favourable planet alignments, etc, they will finish bottom after 23 rounds.

They already require 2 wins just to move up one place on the ladder and that assumes the other bottom dwelling teams don't register any wins. Their points difference is 119 points worse than the next worst SL teams points difference.

Leeds fully deserve to be where they are this season and can thank themselves fortunate that the structural changes introduced 18 months ago doesn't relegate the bottom team in a more thoroughly deserving manner.

Instead, Leeds will be provided with two "Get Out Of Jail Free" cards. Just finish in the Top 3 of the Middle 8's and you're back in SL next season. And if they can't manage that, then feel free to finish 4th or, even better, 5th (they know all about that position of mediocrity from their Sinny and JP days) and they get a Million Pound Play-Off Game to rescue themselves.

Lucky, Lucky Leeds - Super League occupancy handed to them next season on several silver platters.

Because, we are Wigan

Worst Leeds team I've ever seen. And I started watching in 82. We used to be inconsistent, you never knew which Leeds would turn up. No lack of consistency now, same rubbish every week.

Yep, same but since 1976.

This is now comfortably worse than the 1996 side, and that had the likes of Phil Hassan, the Gibbons twins and Graham Holroyd as regulars.

1978 for me...as you say for many years Leeds flattered to deceive. We now seem to have a team that can't even be d trying to deceive us with the odd win here and there.

I will give you the Gibbons twins. But Hassan was far better than the much credited Keinhorst in this team, and Holroyd was in a different league to Sutcliffe. I remember much worse players than those.

I have been going since 1968 and the lack of quality shown by this side is worst I have seen - I missed a chunk between 1990-1998 when I lived abroad and down south.

The 1996 side had some reasonable players in it: Adrian Morley, Terry Newton, Franny, Foresaw, Marvellous Marvin

Tony Kemp.

This side has some great players in it, what they are doing in the pitch is frankly unbelievable. If we'd lost the CC semi, not scored in the last 10 seconds against Hudds last year (and finished 3rd), and not made the GF, then this season would still be an inexplicable disaster. But Leeds won everything - and deservedly, Leeds were the best team in the comp last season, and this year we are deservedly at the bottom of the table as the worst team.

Whatever the differences of opinion on here....everybody must agree the extreme fall from grace is not only so unexpectedly spectacular ...it is apparently getting worse with not just beatings but post CEO 'bear with us' absolute tonkings.

It really is like a runaway train gathering speed downhill even after some experienced hands are slowly managing to clamber back onboard.

It's mind blowing how bad we are. 3 wins out of 16, minus god knows how much points difference. Of those 3 wins rains was a leveller against hull, saints inexplicably gave us a 16 point start otherwise would have won, and huddersfield was a terrible performance in which we sneaked home with a lucky keinhorst try.

It's appalling and the excuses are bullsh*t. Few weeks into the season, yeah sure the injuries and the flooding have disrupted, however months later it doesn't wash.

Unless something changes between now and the middle 8's leeds will be in massive danger of being relegated. Fundamentally things are not right. The players aren't putting in their all and Mcdermott has no clue how to turn their form around.

We are f*cked.

watched them since 1981 - its about time someone took some responsibility for this collapse. I am sick of the same old same old coming out each week. "back to training on Monday and start again" et. Waiting for things to improve of their own accord is NOT the answer - These are no longer defeats each week, these are thrashings!

Make that 6 wins out of 22 since the Challenge Cup win at Wembley, and one of those was a last second win at huddersfield. The helicopter pilot was not happy either ! - lol

Jamie Mathiou, Andy Hay and Joe Vickery would all improve our current team.

Golding does painfully remind me of Joe Vickery

Surely tongue in cheek.


What you conveniently forgot was that Vickery was gash behind a decent pack.Unfortunately Golding or any of the backs this season hasn't had that luxury.

Both "wingers" with similar build, no kick return ability and pushed back at ease. At least Golding hasn't yet crabbed fully along his own goal line to be crushed over it on the opposite wing



In fairness I did consistently say Golding might be worth a try at HB (can't be any worse than Sutcliffe) ....but I still have not seen any semblance of any sort of ability to beat a man, zip through a gap with an injection of pace, or show any natural poaching support play abilities. As I say...Joe Vickery

Golding made a quick, elusive run on Friday just a pity he first failed to field the down field kick cleanly and then went into touch unaided before setting off.

Fev getting mullered 37-0 by fax and I'm sure fax fans singing are u rhinos in disguise , Jesus are things really that bad

Fev are Leeds [i'partner club'[/i.

Lay alongside shiyte, you end up rolling in it yourself.

Same applies at Hunslet.

No good comes of aligning yourself alongside GH (Leeds). Fev still have a chance if they get out quick. Too late for Hunslet.

The problem Leeds are going to have in the middle 8's is lack of experience. Widnes, Hull KR and salford all have the experience of battling against the riled up championship teams for survival. Leeds don't, it's a different beast and I imagine it will be difficult for the leeds players, used to competing for titles to be as motivated compared to the championship teams who will be hungry for super league rugby and what will be a huge scalp.

It's also entirely possible leeds won't even play in the million game and will be relegated as a result of league position. All the super league teams have beaten us, and salford are a top 8 team who are only down there because of the point deduction. It's a false reflection of the teams actual ability which by super league standards, is decent. If salford make it to the top 8 then it only means the likes of huddersfield and widnes being in there who have both shown good ability this season. Leeds will probably finish bottom so will have unfavorable away fixtures. That's not even then factoring in the championship teams. When leeds were good in 2014 leigh almost turned them over at headingley in the CC. Then you'll proibably have bradford in there who will no doubt give leeds douzy. The current rabble are potential lambs to slaughter.

Phil Clarke said it against Cas. ''The rhinos are an endangered species''.

You'll find a new gear in the middle 8's.

2nd or 3rd i wouldn't worry.

The championship sides are not good enough, but there is the fact Leeds are the scalp, especially for Bradford, the other 3 will really want to knock off Leeds, but even with the added motivation i still don't think the quality is there.

Leigh/Bradford/London don't have it in their locker.

.......but Batley have the slope & know how to play it.

As it stands it will be Leigh & Bradford away

As it stands it will be Leigh and London away and Bulls and Batley at home wont it?