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| Quote ="bewildered"Linked heavily with Saints at the moment but not sure if they have quota space?'"
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| Quote ="Joseph241211"Im sure Saints will put him on a british passport so he does not come under the quota space
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Hope he has signed for us - he's what we've been missing (a tackling busting second row).
We're all work rate and no impact in the back row. Rush has moved to address that short term by using TP further wide, but Manu would do a very good job for us I reckon.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Hope he has signed for us - he's what we've been missing (a tackling busting second row).
We're all work rate and no impact in the back row. Rush has moved to address that short term by using TP further wide, but Manu would do a very good job for us I reckon.'"
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| Quote ="Middleton_Loiner"Good signing for you.......Shame most people on here think Manu is not good enough to Play at Leeds. This is, in fact Rubbish, and we'll most likely see him cause us problems from 2013 and onwards when we play you.'"
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Hope he has signed for us - he's what we've been missing (a tackling busting second row).
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Whereas Leeds never sign anyone, recently, in the 30+ age bracket.
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Old farts....not on my watch IF I was in charge
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Old farts....not on my watch IF I was in charge
Dispensing with Ali and then signing Manu would have been the ultimate farce. Well nearly...re-signing Kirke (especially so to have him sit on a bench in a tough rain slashed sapping encounter) still trumps the lot'"
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As for Manu, he's looking for the best price, last chance to secure a decent pay-out.
As a player for me I can imagine a lot of clubs talking to him. Alot has been mentioned about his line breaks, but he turns alot of them into decent plays with a good off-load game. He comes on and does damage. Saints need someone like that for the likes of Lomax/Wellens etc to get on the end of. An enhanced 2nd/3rd phase play.
(and on his age I don't recall him being kept out recently with any serious injury, which is probably a big factor in his appeal, not too risky given his age)
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| Quote ="Middleton_Loiner"Quote ="nantwichexile"Old farts....not on my watch IF I was in charge
Dispensing with Ali and then signing Manu would have been the ultimate farce. Well nearly...re-signing Kirke (especially so to have him sit on a bench in a tough rain slashed sapping encounter) still trumps the lot'"
I would have Re-signed Ali as a Prop on a Reduced Contract tbh.'"
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| Quote ="Middleton_Loiner"Good signing for you.......Shame most people on here think Manu is not good enough to Play at Leeds. This is, in fact Rubbish, and we'll most likely see him cause us problems from 2013 and onwards when we play you.'"
It isn't a case of him not being good enough, you're just not seeing the bigger picture. Manu is getting on and Leeds are well-stocked in this position. Who would you displace to accommodate Manu out of Ablett, JJB and Delaney? Would Manu be happy to become a bench player? As good as he is, Manu is not of the calibre of players that you make room for, such as Ellis or Buderus. |
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| Quote ="The Eagle"He's injured again isn't he? Kind of proves the point'"
Too injury prone....not worth keeping eh ??? Hmmmm
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| Quote ="Exeter Rhino"It isn't a case of him not being good enough, you're just not seeing the bigger picture. Manu is getting on and Leeds are well-stocked in this position. Who would you displace to accommodate Manu out of Ablett, JJB and Delaney? Would Manu be happy to become a bench player? As good as he is, Manu is not of the calibre of players that you make room for, such as Ellis or Buderus.'"
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| Willie Manu signs for Saints
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He is exactly the kind of player Leeds need (IMO we also need a barnstorming prop as well) but at his age I'm not too bothered we didn't sign him.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"He is exactly the kind of player Leeds need (IMO we also need a barnstorming prop as well) but at his age I'm not too bothered we didn't sign him.'"
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| Quote ="Middleton_Loiner"Agreed the Age looks undesirable, but he is playing well.
We need to sign some Beef in the Forwards, because we have nothing at the moment.
Sam Moa? Fui Fui Moi Moi? Somebody!'"
To be fair to GH I think we tried to sign Manu but for whatever reason he's chosen Saints.
I agree we need some experienced "beef" in the forwards and I like your two sugggestions although Frosties says Moa is going back to the NRL and Fui Fui Moi Moi to Catalan. But we should at least investigate. Also if Hardaker moves to fulllback we need a new experienced centre and several people on the forum have suggested Millard who is OOC at Catalan. I've read that Saints and Wigan have now joined the chase to sign him. Will Gary also be in the race? |
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| Quote ="rhino2009"To be fair to GH I think we tried to sign Manu but for whatever reason he's chosen Saints.
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GARY!!!! We need Forwards to make us go FORWARD!
Millard would be a good signing to be fair.
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| Quote ="Middleton_Loiner"GARY!!!! We need Forwards to make us go FORWARD!
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What the Leeds CEO said is contained here: www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-4617053
Quote ="Gary Hetherington" “I am questioning the future of the current Rhinos team and asking whether it has run its race following last Friday’s defeat – and if so, do we need a major overhaul for next season? It’s what the fans are asking too and it’s a very fair question. This squad has achieved remarkable success over the last eight years with 14 major finals, three World Club titles and being five times Super League champions. Many of these players will assume legendary status in years to come and it will be a sad time when we say goodbye to them. But Friday’s result was devastating and hugely disappointing for all concerned, not least the fans who were tremendous with great vocal backing to the end. I know how much the players appreciate it and it sent a strong message to the game just how united we are. We have been here before of course, exactly one year ago, when at this stage we suffered consecutive defeats to a much superior Warrington team 42-6 and St Helens 42-16. At that time we firmly believed our squad was good enough to be successful and so it proved to be. Our problem, like then, is not a coaching issue. =#FF0000While ultimately the coach takes responsibility for team performance, it is all too easy to heap the blame on the coach and his staff when things are not going well. If you ask any of our players, they will tell you the quality of coaching and team management provided by Brian McDermott, James Lowes and Jason Davidson has never been better. It is not a lack of pride or concern either, the players were upset last week and are desperate to improve. Having spent two days with the squad on a recent camp, I reckon the spirit, camaraderie, togetherness and chemistry between players and coaches is as good as I have known. So while accepting the standard at the top of Super League is getting better and Wigan in particular are playing exceptionally well at present I reckon our problem lies firmly with individual player performance. Clearly our current squad will be together for the rest of this season and there’s a long way to go, but the jury is out for 2013.” '"
The bit that some people appear to be focusing on is the extract that followed what Hetherington =#0000BFactually said namely :
[iThe majority of Rhinos’ squad are under contract for next year, but Hetherington said they would be prepared to release under-performing players, whether they are on a current deal or not. And he denied the policy of tying players to long-term deals has led to complacency among the team. Hetherington has declined to comment on what players – or positions – Rhinos are looking at for next year.
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It's a well crafted piece just as these press releases usually are but there's far more heat than light contained. The Leeds CEO asks a pertinent question of this year's squad (and the one already more or less assembled for 2013) but does no more than that. If he decides a WCC win, a challenge cup semi-final and a play-off finish is a satisfactory answer you'll have falsely raised your own expectations.
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Quote ="Gary Hetherington" “I am questioning the future of the current Rhinos team and asking whether it has run its race following last Friday’s defeat – and if so, do we need a major overhaul for next season? It’s what the fans are asking too and it’s a very fair question. This squad has achieved remarkable success over the last eight years with 14 major finals, three World Club titles and being five times Super League champions. Many of these players will assume legendary status in years to come and it will be a sad time when we say goodbye to them. But Friday’s result was devastating and hugely disappointing for all concerned, not least the fans who were tremendous with great vocal backing to the end. I know how much the players appreciate it and it sent a strong message to the game just how united we are. We have been here before of course, exactly one year ago, when at this stage we suffered consecutive defeats to a much superior Warrington team 42-6 and St Helens 42-16. At that time we firmly believed our squad was good enough to be successful and so it proved to be. Our problem, like then, is not a coaching issue. =#FF0000While ultimately the coach takes responsibility for team performance, it is all too easy to heap the blame on the coach and his staff when things are not going well. If you ask any of our players, they will tell you the quality of coaching and team management provided by Brian McDermott, James Lowes and Jason Davidson has never been better. It is not a lack of pride or concern either, the players were upset last week and are desperate to improve. Having spent two days with the squad on a recent camp, I reckon the spirit, camaraderie, togetherness and chemistry between players and coaches is as good as I have known. So while accepting the standard at the top of Super League is getting better and Wigan in particular are playing exceptionally well at present I reckon our problem lies firmly with individual player performance. Clearly our current squad will be together for the rest of this season and there’s a long way to go, but the jury is out for 2013.” '"
The bit that some people appear to be focusing on is the extract that followed what Hetherington =#0000BFactually said namely :
[iThe majority of Rhinos’ squad are under contract for next year, but Hetherington said they would be prepared to release under-performing players, whether they are on a current deal or not. And he denied the policy of tying players to long-term deals has led to complacency among the team. Hetherington has declined to comment on what players – or positions – Rhinos are looking at for next year.
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It's a well crafted piece just as these press releases usually are but there's far more heat than light contained. The Leeds CEO asks a pertinent question of this year's squad (and the one already more or less assembled for 2013) but does no more than that. If he decides a WCC win, a challenge cup semi-final and a play-off finish is a satisfactory answer you'll have falsely raised your own expectations.
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If we bail out in the CC semi and have a poor showing in the play-offs I'd expect something to give - changing the coach may be the easiest and cheapest option. The mass-turnover of the squad is both unlikely and would probably in any event destroy what has been vital over the past few years - team spirit.
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Strikes me as both something to pacify the fans with that the club are as concerned with things as they are, and also a kick up the ar5e for the players, some of whom are clearly becoming complacent.
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