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| Quote ="tvoc"Not for most no, just for some like the thread opener for example who made a case for signing Calderwood.
The only question came at the end when they asked if anyone agreed and guess what ..... nobody has.'"
Inaccurate TVOC but dont let that get in the way matey.
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| Quote ="Fallon"Inaccurate TVOC but dont let that get in the way matey.'"
In life you gain much more respect if you admit when you are wrong. Nobody who reads your first post can draw any other conclusion other than that you are advocating his re-signing.
I actually think there is some mileage in it if he would agree to a match by match basis.....but he would have to be pretty desperate for those terms .... And maybe he is ? Who in their right mind would give him a long term contract - of even one year - after his recent history ?
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"In life you gain much more respect if you admit when you are wrong. Nobody who reads your first post can draw any other conclusion other than that you are advocating his re-signing.
I actually think there is some mileage in it if he would agree to a match by match basis.....but he would have to be pretty desperate for those terms .... And maybe he is ? Who in their right mind would give him a long term contract - of even one year - after his recent history ?'"
Serious question - how do 'match by match' contracts work in respect to the salary cap - do you account for the player playing every match in the season or do you take a gamble and allow maybe 75% of all the seasons games?
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| Quote ="LS16_Rhino"Serious question - how do 'match by match' contracts work in respect to the salary cap - do you account for the player playing every match in the season or do you take a gamble and allow maybe 75% of all the seasons games?'"
Really depends on the player's financial demands. Obviously the least the club can commit to the better. There will be (and should be) a cut off point: the amount of which I obviously have no insight into.
The club holds all the cards in that there is no desperation on its part.....there might be an abundance of said desperation in Calderwood's position. Again I have no idea of the exact circumstances and either way it's not a priority. A passing suggestion only.
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| Quote ="Fallon"Inaccurate TVOC but dont let that get in the way matey.'"
How so?
Quote ="Fallon"Anyone else think Caldy might not be a bad option?'"
It appears fairly simple.
The 'anyone else' suggests very strongly that what preceded was the view of the proposer and he is then looking for some support.
He doesn't appear to have got much if any though.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"In life you gain much more respect if you admit when you are wrong. Nobody who reads your first post can draw any other conclusion other than that you are advocating his re-signing.'"
I agree. Fallon should just admit he's wrong rather than trying to wriggle out of it.
It's plain for all to see what he meant.
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| Quote ="tvoc"The only question came at the end when they asked if anyone agreed and guess what ..... nobody has.'"
In the interests of earning the respect of my fellow posters which I apparently so crave I will in this instance admit my mistake.
That being that I was not clear on which part of TVOCs message I was calling inaccurate. Ive therefore been more precise.
Once again, I call this inaccurate. Suppost has not being glowing but their are clearly pockets of open minded thought that should the right deal be available it may be an option, which was all I was asking.
For the record I genuinely am neither for or against Caldy. I would have preferred us to have tried to get Ainscough but thats another thread.
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| Quote ="Fallon"I would have preferred us to have tried to get Ainscough but thats another thread.'"
Jeez, that's even worse
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| Quote ="Era of the Biff"Jeez, that's even worse
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Yeah but he aint being serious though.
Ban the bomb to the wingers and he might be.
Has the Penny dropped yet as to the next enlightened ( but only kidding really ) suggestion ?
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| Could we not sign the 1930s vintage Eric Harris? Or maybe the 1970-ish Alan Smith and John Atkinson combination?
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Yeah but he aint being serious though.
Ban the bomb to the wingers and he might be.
Has the Penny dropped yet as to the next enlightened ( but only kidding really ) suggestion ?'"
No Im being serious. I dont doubt Ainscough is a bit rough around the edges but he knows his way to the try line ok.
I remember, back in the heady days of the mid 2000's when we signed a winger called Scott Donald. All he managed to catch for the first couple of years was a cold. Yet I remember that with some training he turned into a pretty decent winger.
How did the song go again ....... he used to be 'a bit rubbish' but now he alright?
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| Quote ="Fallon"No Im being serious. I dont doubt Ainscough is a bit rough around the edges but he knows his way to the try line ok.'"
You claim you're being serious but practically every word that follows said claim suggests the opposite.
Ainscough can finish off chances created by others but is mercilessly targeted on defence and under the high ball and that was still the case when he dropped down into the Championship.
Given Leeds already have the positions covered within the 1st choice 17 and options to give fringe backs a run if neccessary I don't see the wing position being strengthened anytime soon.
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| With BJB back into contention, I see us with Hall, Smith, Watkins and BJB. Not urgent to use cap space in this position and that's not even counting Chisholm, but I'm not sure how far away he is from the first team.
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| No mention of Bush from what I've seen. Seemed a bit lightweight to me. is he still in the reckoning?
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| Quote ="tigertot"No mention of Bush from what I've seen. Seemed a bit lightweight to me. is he still in the reckoning?'"
I would agree he looks lightweight at present - think he got young player of the year, or academy player of the year though.
Seen him a few times and in truth Im not convinced. Maybe with a bit more bulk he would look better but you always have to be careful you dont go too mad and he loses some of his pace.
For me he isn't good enough to be near the first team yet (despite a couple of run outs for them)
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| Quote ="tvoc"You claim you're being serious but practically every word that follows said claim suggests the opposite.'"
My points are serious in so much as they are my honest opinion (rightly or wrongly) I just like to add some humour/sarcasm which may not always win me friends but lifes to short to wear a serious face all the time.
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| Quote ="Fallon"My points are serious in so much as they are my honest opinion (rightly or wrongly) '"
Fair enough as long as you continue to respect others right to challenge them.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Fair enough as long as you continue to respect others right to challenge them.'"
Of course.
My only issue is when people dont challenge them but ridicule without reason or explanation as often happens.
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| Quote ="Fallon"I would agree he looks lightweight at present - think he got young player of the year, or academy player of the year though.
Seen him a few times and in truth Im not convinced. Maybe with a bit more bulk he would look better but you always have to be careful you dont go too mad and he loses some of his pace.
For me he isn't good enough to be near the first team yet (despite a couple of run outs for them)'"
The kid aint got any pace...lose any more and even Delaney will look fast.
He'll never be a winger. FB maybe...but with Webb, BJB and Smith contesting the position he might struggle to make any breakthrough into the first team (unless he changes his surname to Diskin or Kirke of course )
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| Quote ="Fallon"
Seen him a few times and in truth Im not convinced. Maybe with a bit more bulk he would look better but you always have to be careful you dont go too mad and he loses some of his pace.'"
What pace is that then?
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| Quote ="Fallon"My points are serious in so much as they are my honest opinion (rightly or wrongly) I just like to add some humour/sarcasm which may not always win me friends but lifes to short to wear a serious face all the time.'"
Oh.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"The kid aint got any pace...lose any more and even Delaney will look fast.
He'll never be a winger. FB maybe...'"
FB is Tom's position. He is only 18 too, AFAIK, so has a couple of years of growing to so yet.
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Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"FB is Tom's position. He is only 18 too, =#FF0000AFAIK, so has a couple of years of growing to so yet.'"
Not saying you're wrong but that won't stop Tom Bush turning 21 before the start of next season according to the Leeds official website. www.therhinos.co.uk/rugby/player ... ef=dynamic
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Not saying you're wrong but that won't stop Tom Bush turning 21 before the start of next season according to the Leeds official website. www.therhinos.co.uk/rugby/player ... ef=dynamic
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Ah, then he is small. He stands near us when he's not playing. He looks younger. I bow to your superior resources and knowledge as always, TVOC.
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Ah, then he is small. He stands near us when he's not playing. He looks younger. I bow to your superior resources and knowledge as always, TVOC.
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| Quote ="Fallon"I remember, back in the heady days of the mid 2000's when we signed a winger called Scott Donald. All he managed to catch for the first couple of years was a cold. '"
You talk absolute [ish[/iite.
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