The point with Sinfield was the ones calling for him to be moved to Hooker.

Each case should be judged on its own merits, you are correct. Halls qualities, metre maker, and a great finisher. You certainly need to be a strong metre maker in the pack, but he has the added quality of been faster than most other packmen. He's very much in the mould of a Tony Carroll like player, and I for one would like to see it given a go.

If we had a coach with anything about him, I am pretty sure they would have tested Hall there by now anyway in low profile games to see if it was worth it going forward.

I don't see much in Hall's game to make him a back row, other than he's the right size and runs hard. What he's missing is front on defence, and a passing game - you've got to be able to pass to a player hitting a gap to play that position. You don't need to have the skills of a halfback, but you do need to recognise when a support runner is in a better position. I don't see that at all from Hall. He's a winger, and that's all. He could play fullback at a push.

I disagree that Briscoe is equally world class as Hall. He is good, but I would expect he'd be 3rd choice for England.

Players move position, but in order to make them more effective. Now that can either be that they have skills better suited to another position, or that they can no longer play that position due to something such as pace.

Hall certainly still has a very good mix of the qualities a top winger has. You certainly wouldn't move him because he was no longer a good enough winger. Would he be a better second row than a winger? I don't know. He'd be good at running out wide, but would he have the durability, or the stamina, or the ability to make 30 tackles a game? To be better than what we already have he'd need to develop an offload game too, which he may be able to do out wide when he's dominated someone smaller, but its a diferent game in the middle.

I'll ask again, other than his size, why do you think he'd make a top level second row?

Not convinced Hall wouldn't have a pass to equal or better anything Delaney has but he also has a good offload game. According to Opta Hall has 6 try assists and 35 offloads from his 26 Regular Round appearances in 2013 compared to Delaney's 0 and 7 from his 16 appearances. Hall has better stats in this area than Ablett also (5 and 12 from 22) and it's not even as if wingers generally get that much opportunity to show this aspect of their handling skills.

That said Hall for me had an issue with stamina earlier in his career which he has improved and managed on the wing but it could become an issue again with a move infield so I'd be leaving him where he is.

No reason we couldn’t just run some set plays with Hall attacking as a wide running 2nd rower without moving him in to the middle and throwing all that grunt work in attack and defence at him.

I too used to be an advocate of trying Hall in an inside position, but have now gravitated to keeping him on the wing: with Briscoe and Hardaker we will have three very good kick returners who don't get dominated and pushed back. Although Hall does not have great pace like Alan Smith he is one of the best finishers I have seen. He just needs more decent ball like Ablett gave him. The only question for me now is which wing to select him on. Briscoe is a left winger and we know Hall can finish just as we'll on the right..... Soooo.
I too would say his front on defence is poor and if he does stay on the wing he probably does need to shed a few pounds

Knowing our present coach this is just what he would do to him a la Stevie Ward ( and Watkins ) in his persistence in playing Burrow at hooker.

Were they passes to a support runner hitting the line (which is what you need to at least threaten, otherwise you're a magnet for defenders) ? I'd expect Hall's assists were tips of kicks, and passes inside following a break and being two on one with a fullback.

Agree on stamina. It's a very different kind of fitness that wingers (and fullbacks for that matter) need, compared to the rest of the squad.

He has openly mentioned (last time on TV a week back) that he started out as a winger, either way you have the potential to be leaving a class winger out of the 17, which one is it going to be?

As a Hull fan I'm gutted we didn't keep Broscoe's services, a lot of so called knowledgeable fans on the Hull forums have been saying get rid, not worth the money, he's not interested, he's no good, out of form yadda yadda.

Aside from his obvious attributes the only thing that lets him down is his positional play from a defence POV (he doesn't seem to have progressed in this area IMO) aside from that he's probably the best winger in SL at gaining you a penalty running it out of your 20, is as strong as anything (you saw that last season) and has plenty enough gas to live with the best (when he isn't being played injured as we did quite often

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In your side he should be getting 25+ tries a season easily

Given the number of genuine try-scoring opportunities/passes he's likely to receive on the wing at Leeds that figure will need to be close on a 100% conversion rate.

Despite Leeds finishing two places higher on the league ladder in 2013 than they did in 2012 they scored 23 tries fewer and looking back to their SL high try point in 2005 it's 77 fewer from just the one less opportunity. Whether that's in part due to a leveling up or a dumbing down in quality terms (depending on your point of view) for me it's a lot of entertaining moments to lose.

given Briscoe has had the non passer/can't pass greedy fecker Yeaman inside of him for 5 years he should be in the 20 tries per season easily.
He scored 90 from 148 appearances for us and we have been the lowest try scoring team in the top 8 (when we've got there) for years..

Hey,
I only think the thing about Hall and the 2nd row started because we bought Briscoe. If we did not have Briscoe I would be happy with RH on the wing, but now we have 3 wingers. Something has to give. Maybe the door for BJB, but I think he is good enough to keep his place.

3 down, only 22 to go, I told you he'd score a hatful for you

To be fair, any winger could have scored those three tries. They were simple run-in's, Watkins had done all the hard work, all Briscoe had to do was catch the pass and stroll over the line unopposed.

I was going to reply that Vickery would have scored those tries.

First one still needed a bit of work. Good finish that.

Anyway, the guy never said he'd score a hatful of individual wonder tries did he?

First one was classic winger shows clean Pair of heels to opposite winger. Other two where stroll ins, but Briscoe worked hard throughout the game so deserved his hat trick.
With regards BJB there are bound to be injuries in the backs so he will get plenty of game time,

But that is exactly the point the Hull fan was making. he said "in our side" with a better centre than Yeaman playing alongside, he has predicted 25 tries for the lad.

Watkins did the hard work drawing the men, Briscoe had it on a plate. Just ran hard down the right. Did it with conviction. Was nice to see Delaney getting shot of the ball as soon as he laid hands on it!

I think the Hullensian visitor was probably thinking of the improved supply Briscoe would get from Watkins when he made his prediction. Yeaman is a finisher/not a winger's centre/spent force (one or all of the above). Watkins is top class in SL, and well capable of becoming world class in the near future. Every winger in the league would love to play outside him.

Exactly, we've been missing a decent true centre since the days of Richie Barnett (Rich whiting was good for us though), we've got young Crooks on the side you've now got TB on but he is still learning & well behind Watkins in any case.
Also Leeds have always been able to get the ball to the outside backs far far quicker than us & despite TVOc's stats saying you've scored a lot less tries of late than your best years, that's still a lot more than most in any case (you scored over 200 tries in SL X I think!)

We did score a chunk of tries less last year but a decent part of that was a lack of tries from the right side due to not having our first choice centre/wing partnership playing together until the 19th league game of the season.

In the first 18 games the starting right centre & wing scored just 16 tries.

We've already got 4 tries from the that side in one match, it took 11 league games to reach that total last year.

When does BJB's contract run out? Do we really think he will stay?

Bjb is OOC at the end of the year and if Hardaker ,Hall and Watkins extend their deals i doubt Bjb will stay its possible but i doubt it.

No not really, unless we get wind of a strong bid from an NRL/RU team for the likes of Watkins, Hardaker, Hall early on in the season and we make a strong play to keep him before he starts talking to other clubs.

My guess is that he'll start the 2015 season in a Salford kit. They've signed well in the halves and forwards but could do with more in the backs. Wire were linked last year but might have missed the boat on this one.