how the pack was fairing in the respective seasons will have had no small bearing on that.

Yes, in a nutshell Craig Harrison basically said, "He was asked to do an extension at the time, in the last year of his contract, offer was part time, turned it down but wanted to stay at Leeds, got other offers, eventually got the deal at Leeds"

He then slightly changes it to "There was an offer, cant discuss it, but it wasnt neither here nor there"

Not sure about that but it could be a factor - I think other teams have worked him out, that plus injuries maybe

A lot of parcels game is based around his pace from quick play of the balls and capitalising on gaps. There was precious little of that from our pack last season.

So in other words he has been worked and other clubs have negated his ability by better organisation around the PTB. Unfortunately Parcell limited skill set was exposed - which in part explains why he is playing in SL and not in the NRL

No. He doesn’t have a limited skill set at all and he played many games last season at a high standard.

There’s isn’t, nor will there ever be, a dummy half whose games isn’t effected by a set of poor forwards.

So you are saying any hooker can play behind a dominant set of forwards - so how do decide which are the better players - why is Roby so well regarded you can hardly Saints have or ever have had a dominant pack

Sal, our pack was appalling last year. Parcell still had some great games. He wasn’t poor like some are making out, the team, overall was.

If he goes, whoever comes in will not be of equal or superior standard, that’s my concern.

We conceded a ton of yardage defending the ruck. One of the (many) reasons our pack struggled going forward was having to start sets so close to our line. I'd be looking to sort this too.

I reckon that they have a big signing to be announced on Saturday at the South Stand Open Day.

If we're ditching so many players i hope we have more than 1.

Reckon they'd have used it to promote the SS opening day if that was on the cards.

Some great games - a few - watching he didn't look motivated especially towards the end

I would agree with you its a key position and if he is going to be replaced then a quality player needs to be obtained - there are plenty out there as good as him whether they are available is another matter.

Shaun Johnson to be confirmed tomorrow at SS open day?

I know the reports saying the warriors aren’t going to offer S Johnson a contract extension on his current wage (reported to be seven figures). However, struggle to see how we could afford him even on a marquee player scenario. Don’t get me wrong I would love to have him but just think it would be the biggest SL signing for a good couple of years.

If he's the highest paid player at the Warriors, I'd say it would be reckless for Leeds to sign him. We do need another marquee player (in the PACK), but money IS an object and I'd rather see a few hundred grand extra go into youth and coach development rather than one star signing who can get injured/lose form. I can live with Myler, Lolohea, McLelland, Walker for the halves and FB. I could even live with Dwyer and Johnson at hooker for a year if we sort the rest of the pack out. I'd like to see 2 genuine props and possible another 2nd row.

Agree, I’d much rather take a big strong prop if we are spending money. Are we getting Fensom? I know Furner likes him from Canberra days and he seems like a great defender and hard player who could be what we need given how fragile we could be last year

People keep saying that Fensom is "done".. my only worry is that he could be Delaney MkII. We deffo need some starch in D though and he'd bring that. The Feldt rumours went quiet too, we are still weak on one wing with Hall going. Taupau would be great if we can pull it off, but I'm not sure if he's a 2nd row really, despite size he's most effective on the edges. We've spent years recruiting project mini-me-McDermotts; I'd rather see us move towards an Anderson/Vagana/Burgess type metre making pairing up front. We have a lot of backrowers for me but no "punch" in centre field.

Furner has got an NRL winger (not a big name) lined up apparently.

I agree you need some forwards.

Ah that's interesting. I assume that rules out Feldt then. I really liked Scotty Donald, a similar under-the-radar type would do me. We will need a winger who can defend if he has Hurrell on the inside (prone to the odd brain fart).

It has been a LONG time since Leeds had a pack that other teams worried about.

They probably worried a bit when we had Peacock and Kylie in there but I get your point.

Our best pack in super league era was around 2007-11 i think.

With Kylie, Diskin/Buderus,Peacock,JJB,Ali and Ellis/Ablett. I hope we recruit A top class prop and second rower for this season.

dont forget Ian kirke

Problem is we have about 6 Ian Kirkes now!