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| Giving them a second chance is condoning it . I'd rather condone violence towards child abusers than against children .
I would more than willingly 'pull the trigger' to lawfully end the life of a paedophile .
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| Quote ="LS13"Giving them a second chance is condoning it .'"
Who is giving them a 2nd chance?
why is it condoning it?
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| Anyone who has the opinion that they shoulnd't die is condoning it . And before you start changing tact and applying it to burglars/robbers/shoplifters/drunk drivers etc etc etc .. I specifically mean it should only be applied to paedophiles .
It is condoning it because they are allowed out to re-offend . Kill them and they will not re-offend .
I will be collecting my two youngest kids ( ages 3 and 5 ) from school at 3:15pm . Do you want me to do a quick survey of a few parents to see if they think paedophiles should die . Would you be surprised if the majority say yes ?
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| Quote LS13 wrote:
Why ?
Just my opinion . Anyone GUILTY of tampering with , or abusing children , should be tortured before they are killed . No excuses , no second chances .
You didn't say that, you said... '"
Errmmm.. I must have said it.. You quoted me on it
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| Quote ="LS13"Anyone who has the opinion that they shoulnd't die is condoning it . And before you start changing tact and applying it to burglars/robbers/shoplifters/drunk drivers etc etc etc .. I specifically mean it should only be applied to paedophiles .
It is condoning it because they are allowed out to re-offend . Kill them and they will not re-offend .
I will be collecting my two youngest kids ( ages 3 and 5 ) from school at 3:15pm . Do you want me to do a quick survey of a few parents to see if they think paedophiles should die . Would you be surprised if the majority say yes ?'" I don't believe in the death penalty. Nor do I believe in mob rule.
If your idea of debating this issue is to state that I now condone Paedophillia because I disagree with your point of view then there's little point discussing it further as you're clearly not very bright.
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| Quote ="LS13"Anyone who has the opinion that they shoulnd't die is condoning it ...'"
Why?
Quote ="LS13"And before you start changing tact and applying it to burglars/robbers/shoplifters/drunk drivers etc etc etc .. I specifically mean it should only be applied to paedophiles ..'"
Why?
Quote ="LS13"It is condoning it because they are allowed out to re-offend . Kill them and they will not re-offend .'"
So you have murderous tendencies then?
Quote ="LS13"I will be collecting my two youngest kids ( ages 3 and 5 ) from school at 3:15pm . Do you want me to do a quick survey of a few parents to see if they think paedophiles should die . Would you be surprised if the majority say yes ?'"
Feel free. They'll probably think you're a crank mind.
If a child killer/abuser was murdered in jail I'd shrug my shoulders and say 'never mind'. It's still wrong though.
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| So how should they should be dealt with ? I back the death penalty for certain offences . The punishment should be as severe as the crime committed. I would aslo back burglary victims been allowed to visit the home of the offender and helping themselves to the contents of their house .
Custodial sentence and rehabilitation ? That has been proven not to be a major deterrent . The number of re-offenders you read about backs that fact . And before you ask me to back that argument up there is no way I am putting that in a search on my computer .
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| What do people think of the theory that people are born paedophiles, and can't help their behaviour?
Wouldn't attacking them be the equivalent of attacking a person with cerebral palsey for using a wheelchair?
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| Quote If a child killer/abuser was murdered in jail I'd shrug my shoulders and say 'never mind'.'"
At last.. A sensible reply and something we can agree on .
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| Quote ="LS13"The punishment should be as severe as the crime committed.'"
Killing a paedophile is more severe than the crime though isn't it.
Quote ="LS13"And before you ask me to back that argument up there is no way I am putting that in a search on my computer .'"
Now that's ridiculous.
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| Quote ="LS13"At last.. A sensible reply and something we can agree on .'"
There have been plenty of sensible replies, just not from you.
You may agree with the sentiment of my post but it's still wrong.
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| Quote ="LS13"Anyone who has the opinion that they shoulnd't die is condoning it . And before you start changing tact and applying it to burglars/robbers/shoplifters/drunk drivers etc etc etc .. I specifically mean it should only be applied to paedophiles .
It is condoning it because they are allowed out to re-offend . Kill them and they will not re-offend .
I will be collecting my two youngest kids ( ages 3 and 5 ) from school at 3:15pm . Do you want me to do a quick survey of a few parents to see if they think paedophiles should die . Would you be surprised if the majority say yes ?'" what makes paedophiles worse though than a range of other crimes though? those you have selected are comparatively minor crimes in most cases (although can still take lives/ruin lives) but what about others guilty of murder or rape or anything else along those lines? Why only paedophiles?
Just because people don't think people should be able to take the law into there own hands, or they don't believe the death penalty should be used doesn't mean they are in any way condoning the actions.
Is there any proof that in places where the death penalty exists the number of people committing the offences is any less? (I am sure I read once that the figures were similar but not 100% sure)
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| Quote ="LS13"Anyone who has the opinion that they shoulnd't die is condoning it . And before you start changing tact and applying it to burglars/robbers/shoplifters/drunk drivers etc etc etc .. I specifically mean it should only be applied to paedophiles .
It is condoning it because they are allowed out to re-offend . Kill them and they will not re-offend .
I will be collecting my two youngest kids ( ages 3 and 5 ) from school at 3:15pm . Do you want me to do a quick survey of a few parents to see if they think paedophiles should die . Would you be surprised if the majority say yes ?'"
This guy [idoes[/i condone it, however:
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| Because child abuse is in my opinion the worst crime imaginable .
There is proof that in places where the death penalty exists the number of people re-offending after servibg their 'sentence' is a big fat zero .
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| Quote ="LS13"Because child abuse is in my opinion the worst crime imaginable .
There is proof that in places where the death penalty exists the number of people re-offending after servibg their 'sentence' is a big fat zero .'"
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| I’m probably going to lose a bit of popularity here but what the heck life’s for living and not avoiding confrontation!
Personally if the pedo was ill educated I’d make him listen to a recovered victim of paedophilia for two years in a cell so it can be drilled in what’s right and what’s wrong.
If the pedo was well educated he’d have a choice to either have castration on a regular basis or to be monitored.
However I wouldn’t put the death penalty pass them if it’s a natural death penalty rather than a man made death penalty. After all I don’t believe in the electric chair and lethal injection. Locate these sick minds to places they’ll more likely die from a tsunami or something is the best option for a death penalty so then its not man made and they killed by natural disaster.
I’m same with animals. We should let mother nature deal with them rather than people IMO.
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| Quote ="LS13"Because child abuse is in my opinion the worst crime imaginable .
'" Why?
What makes it worse than killing someone? or worse than someone raping an 85 year old woman?
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| Gateaux . You just mentioned another category of offender who should die . The rapist . The murderers however should be dealt with on merit . There seems to be a lot in the news of late regarding gang shootings over drugs etc. For those offences I'd say let them get on with it . They are doing society a favour by dealing with eachother .
I can't deny the FACT that my opinions on this subject may sound too severe , but if anyone were to harm a child of mine then I would like to see them suffer before they die . I certainly wouldn't want them to be back in society after a couple of years 'rehabilitation' .
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| Quote ="LS13"Gateaux . You just mentioned another category of offender who should die . The rapist . The murderers however should be dealt with on merit . There seems to be a lot in the news of late regarding gang shootings over drugs etc. For those offences I'd say let them get on with it . They are doing society a favour by dealing with eachother .
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Seriously what? Do you think all these people are evil because of what they do? Maybe they just want to get out of a life of poverty and that is the only way to do it in their areas.
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| Back on the subject though LS13:
Im 25 and my GF has just turned 21 this weekend. We started seeing each other when she was 16 and I was 20. A year earlier and that would obviously have been illegal. But as there will be 19 year olds sleeping with 15 year olds does this come under your murdering act? And if so why do they deserve the same as anyone who sleeps with a prepubescent child?
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Quote ="LS13"There seems to be a lot in the news of late regarding gang shootings over drugs etc. For those offences I'd say let them get on with it . They are doing society a favour by dealing with eachother. '"
You’ve opened Pandora’s box here I’m afraid but lets embrace it
Personally I think a majority of drugs should be legalised and alcohol should be banned because it only makes people angry. Now drug users only tend to get angry when they have a dependency on the illegal drug but can’t afford it so they go out robbing and that. Alcoholics only get angry when in drink.
Drink does not calm people down IMO.
American comedian Bill Hicks explains drugs in the best way - www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1CvW38cHA
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You’ve opened Pandora’s box here I’m afraid but lets embrace it
Personally I think a majority of drugs should be legalised and alcohol should be banned because it only makes people angry. Now drug users only tend to get angry when they have a dependency on the illegal drug but can’t afford it so they go out robbing and that. Alcoholics only get angry when in drink.
Drink does not calm people down IMO.
American comedian Bill Hicks explains drugs in the best way - www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1CvW38cHA
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| Quote ="Hollywood Harrigan"Im 25 and my GF has just turned 21 this weekend. We started seeing each other when she was 16 and I was 20. A year earlier and that would obviously have been illegal. But as there will be 19 year olds sleeping with 15 year olds does this come under your murdering act? And if so why do they deserve the same as anyone who sleeps with a prepubescent child?'"
This is getting a bit tad unfair now on LS13 and I would like you to stop please.
Personally I don’t think its even right for a 20 year old to go out with a 16 year old - I certainly wouldn’t. However Johnny I praise your relationships commitment and I hope to hear wedding bells sooner or later - commitment is what makes me smile in life. After all not all 20 year olds who go out with 16 year old are pervs and you certainly wasn’t. Its just that a subject like this divides a lot of us and would be best left to the side now IMO.
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| HH.. You mentioned that you were a couple and she was almost of age. That is different . It is still wrong though , and illegal .That would just deserve you getting a hiding from her dad if the family decided that BOTH your actions didn't warrant them reporting you to the relevant authorities There has been a lot of debate recently about the female teacherand a 15 yr old female pupil . They were a 'couple' , but that was still wrong and the teacher deservedly got a custodial . Any sex act with a minor is statutory rape according to the law .
Maybe I should have been more specific at the beginning of all this . I should have said that I meant the sickos that rape/tortue/kill the shildren .
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| Quote ="LS13"HH.. You mentioned that you were a couple and she was almost of age. That is different . It is still wrong though , and illegal .That would just deserve you getting a hiding from her dad if the family decided that BOTH your actions didn't warrant them reporting you to the relevant authorities
There has been a lot of debate recently about the female teacherand a 15 yr old female pupil . They were a 'couple' , but that was still wrong and the teacher deservedly got a custodial . Any sex act with a minor is statutory rape according to the law .
Maybe I should have been more specific at the beginning of all this . I should have said that I meant the sickos that rape/tortue/kill the shildren .'"
So wait a minute.
In LS13's world there's now a scale of offences for having sex with an U16 ?
And the family of the underage person gets to pick the punishment, ranging from "just" a beating to killing them ?
I'll stick to the legal system that we already have if you don't mind.
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| I don't know why anyone is continuing the discussion.
You can't educate pork.
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