Exactly, the players had given up playing for Mac for what reasons anyone can guess, theres plenty of theories, they then brought in Sinfield to steady the ship and instantly he noticed that "standards had slipped" and the systems were "broken", so he went back to his "tried and tested" routine, that didnt work either, they players showed barely a murmur, we flopped across the line defeated and broken. We brought in Furner to begin a three year opus to re-write the Rhinos and yet again, the players have decided not to respond so out goes Furner. Somewhere along the line, a cancer has grown at the heart of this club, until it is cut out, we wont heal and we wont progress.

IMO the majority of poster's on this forum agree that the squad at Leeds is nowhere near being good enough to challenge for trophies and is at best capable of avoiding relegation.(As has been the case for 3 out of the past 4 seasons)

If I had been appointed into the D.O.R role with the club I would have said that upon looking at the retained squad list that it would take at least 3 to 4 years to get back to where the club needs to be due to having too many mediocre players tied down under contract,and that some players may have to be retained to bridge some gaps until the desired players can be signed,Especially with a salary cap in place.

We don't know the salary cap values of any players employed by the club or what any prospective player wants in order to join us, so IMO Sinny has been left a bloody big mess to sort out

With this in mind I am happy to give our current D.O.R the same time frame that I would have wanted, otherwise I would be termed as a hypocrite or perhaps having the benefit of hindsight to have picked fault with his decisions

Mistakes have clearly been made since Sinny returned in his role although IMO we have to trust his judgement and hope that his 3/4 year plan is going to bring the quality of our squad back to challenging for all of the trophies once again

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and at the time that Sinny appointed Furner,he was a very popular choice on here,although not everyone's first pick,he was in most posters first 3 choices for the role.

I'm keeping the faith that Sinny will get it right within the next 3/4 seasons

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with most of what you have written there is no a cat in hells chance Sinny will be given 3/4 years to turn the club around. Significant improvements will be expected next season.

It’s really hard to say. In actual fact I’m not sure the cancer is an attitudinal thing - although there will be a couple of less good eggs in the nest somewhere.

It’s not really that complicated; the current players are just not good enough, and we’re flogging dead horses.

The good news is that replacing 4 or so players would make a big difference immediately; IF they are the right quality in the necessary positions (plus the right coach of course). We should have a large chunk of salary cap coming free for 2020 as long as we don’t cop out of some necessary decisions.

is the amount of people posting on here the fan base or a tiny fraction of thousands?

Rob Burrow will get the job.

Not just talking about on here mate. Check Twitter for an example.

Please do not check Twitter.



Or Facebook.

You accuse me of having an "agenda" because I am anti Sinfield. This is totally incorrect. I was one of his biggest fans as a player and captain which many of my postings will confirm. So this is not about Sinny the man, it is about his lack of suitability for his current position as he has no coaching or management qualifications and his performance over the last year has not diminished my concerns at the time but rather confirmed them. So if by expressing these concerns this means by your definition I have an "agenda" then so be it. However using this same criteria you would have to plead guilty to having an agenda youself against McDermott, Hetherington, Sutcliffe, Handley, Briscoe, JJB, and all.

So you believe that I should not post on here because I do not agree with your opinion? I have stated on many occasions that as CEO the buck stops with Hetherington therefore I do hold him mainly responsible. I have never said McDermott is blameless, however I do not believe he had control over recruitment, imput maybe. But whilst I do not think it can be quickly fixed I also think talking about 3 to 4 years is wrong. We have had plenty of chances to sign decent players, like Hastings, who would have made a significant difference to our performances had we done so.

I agree there are two issues regarding a DOR at Leeds and both of which I addressed at the time of his appointment. I have not seen a good enough argument for this role other than looking after development rugby and ladies rugby. The head coach/manager should have full control over first team matters without interference from above. I do not know of the scope of the roles at Cas or Warrington and neither do you, so you cannot put this forward as a legitimate argument in favour of a DOR at Headingley.

You use the term "another little agenda" because I have offered positive support for JJB against some of the negative comments from you in particular is surely the opposite of a so called agenda? JJB is well past his best but in the absence of a suitable replacement still offers great attitude and work rate as a fringe squad player. So for you to make out that this is Sinfields biggest mistake is laughable considering that he has just fallen out with his first choice coach and had him sacked. There are so many others to select for poor performance before JJB.

Flanagan or Griffin for me . Both know the game both know youth development and both are winners . At this moment in time they are the best out there . People are deluded if they
Think Wane and Marshall are genuine candidates. Going with the lowest common denominator has been the reason we are where we are both on and off the field . Time for
Quality change right across the board .

100% agree

Those guys will want complete authority on the rugby side. After seeing what happened to Furner they'll also (understandably) want locked in payouts in the event things go south. Will the club be willing to bring in a coach on that sort of basis?

Exactly.

Its Agar's job to lose

Well, give him a decent squad and he's probably capable of at least marching us up the table.
I don't have a huge problem with Agar, pending our performances over the next few rounds.
If KS wants to keep his oar in the water, maybe we need to go down another path where we have several specialist coaches under him. We will really struggle to find a first class head coach who is willing to be held accountable for somebody else's decisions.

Daryl Powell...

I'm a little stuck here. For me, a coach coaches. A coach gets the players on the training area and shows them how they want the game played. A coach gets what he wants out of the players. For me, Graham Murray was a perfect example of this.

A manager, manages. They look after the discipline, conduct, availability, timetabling, organisation, press commitments, the day to day running of the team that allows the Coach 100% bandwidth to Coach the team.

A Director sits above these two and Directs operations, makes sure sufficient resources are available for the Coach and Manager to do their jobs. A Director can be Financial, Operational, People, Marketing, etc etc. In this case Rugby.

I have never seen this not be the case. GH was Director, there was always a Manager, and always a coach.
It seems now that GH has separated his role of effectively MD to allow him bandwidth to fill Caddick's responsibilities on the board. Is Sinfield the right person to fill what effectively is a role for someone to figurehead a process that up until now was working very well, his Masters in Sports Business would suggest so. His experiences similar.

I would suggest time will tell. BUT. To quote G1 (in a nutshell) from a decade ago when Leeds were struggling and recovered to finish 5th then win the GF, twice. If Leeds are there or thereabouts come October, this thread will be a distant memory.

So, the following coaches are available:

Flannagan
Griffin
Wane
Marshall
Sheens
Tony Smith
Agar
Justin Morgan

Some good options there.

If we are looking to advance get back to the top, then we can eliminate Wane, Marshall, Sheens, Agar, and probably Smith off that list as head coach.

Disagree on Wane. Others agree

I've no idea what the situation is with Flannagan but any coach who can win the G.F. with the Sharkies must be really good.

I don't know what Sinfield would make of him though.

Sheens negotiating a release from hull kr to take up a coaching offer

Flanagan was a bit like Brian McDermott in that although he won the comp I know quite a few sharks fans who didn't like the way they played under him. Even winning the comp didn't make him that popular.

Also you cannot ignore his negligence (at best) in the rogue drug program at the sharks, and his subsequent breathtaking arrogance towards his ban which led to him getting fired.

I wouldn't be upset if he became our coach, but there are fairly big reasons why he's available.

I just think it’s the wrong choice for Leeds when we’re trying to rebuild the culture for lasting success again.
Have to say I think Powell would be great, he gets his halves working and the team playing as a unit.
Demetriou seems highly rated but would be seen as risky in our current state.
Watson’s done a good job on limited resources but I think Leeds is s completely different fish.
Holbrook seems happy at Saints (and yet again they have out-recruited us there).
When Murray and Smith came in, they had a quality of character about them and that suits Leeds, especially with a young crop coming through again.

Said it before, although not suggested he should be coach, but Woolford at Huddersfield, with the resources, seems to have done just as good a job as Smith did. That is one poor squad on paper, and look at the turnaround he did.

For me I have said Griffin since before McDermott left, and stick by that. I do think Furner had he been backed would have took us forward long term, but Griffin is the perfect one for me.

Can't see Flanagan here,his image is well tarnished.Agree with Woolford,doing a fine job