Did you mean modal, mean or median average? You defined average as "a description that matches the majority around the world" which isn't a description of any form of average I recognise. I didn't have a go at you or anyone. I did criticise your posting.

And the use of the word "poop" was in reply to what I consider ludicrous that you would say JJB's value to this squad was that you could have had another body in there in his shirt and called him Jamie Jones Goodcannon, and the success wouldn't have changed.

Forget your maths, if you have 10 6ft blokes in a room, then the average hight of them is 6ft, if you have 10 20 stone blokes in a room, the average weight of them is 20 stone. If you have 250 backrowers playing rugby league around the world now, 20 are top class and removed, 30 are utter poop and removed, you are left with 200 which are pretty much the same, or in other words average, the majority.

You are putting too many players into the "average" category. How about having 250 around the world categorised as:
10 top tier internationals
20 capable of playing top tier intl
30 good club players
40 above average club players
40 average club players
40 below average club players
40 poor players
30 utter poop.

Where would you put JJB in that set of categories?

Maybe so, but that was an example, and the truth is there is more star players, and more poop, but you still have a high percentage that do a similar job for their respective clubs. Point was Leeds could have had Hansen, Ferris, Ferguson, Waterhouse, Langley, all as an example instead of JJB, and Leeds would still have had the success. Sinfield on the other hand was different, as you could have had Benji Marshall IMO, and I don't think he would have repeated what Sinfield delivered.

Corrected, etc.

Very good El Diablo!

Gotcha - spouting rubbish under various aliases since RLfans began!

Sinfield is clearly one of a kind and in my eyes will go down as the greatest Leeds player. However, to suggest he has achieved this almost singlehandedly and gaps could have been plugged by average players is a nonsense. To win 6 titles in 10 years you need a core of above average players. You also a culture and a work ethic to ensure players remain hungry for success. JJB is certainly the former and most definitely a integral part of the latter.

I remember a speech from sinfield after one of the last two grand final wins saying when we went behind early jonesy was the one who spoke behind the posts reminding everyone they'd been there before. I know kev and most others at the club hold him in very high regard.

As for the other thread about the kit, quite frankly you and sal have embarrassed yourselves. One of the most recogniseable faces in RL, who is synonymous with the leeds brand, has won 6 grand finals and is a local lad who many people can relate to. I'd say he's a perfect person to model the new kit

Gotcha-Langley ,Ferris and Ferguson ??? WTF
None have had the sustained impact/comsistncy of quality performances over the length of time Jjb has had and especuially Biscuit bones Langley he's had 2 max good seasons ,Ferris has only kicked on since joining the Giants and Ferguson nowhere near despite early potential.
I rate Hanson and as for Waterhouse hardly set the world on fire over here.

Not surprisingly Andy R, dumb enough, arrogant enough, and myopic enough, to believe we would have still being successfull without Sinfield. Not really surprising.

Clearly not what I said

They were examples rhinoms, the list would have gone on and on. However, your response showed exactly what I have said. Had the roles being reversed and JJB elsewhere, you would now be saying JJB, WTF. And that's exactly it, he has been lucky enough and played his part, as with a lot of players to be part of this team over the period, and not fundamental to it, which is the difference. It is quite clear it is about the persona JJB and that he plays for Leeds, rather than the second row position.

By the way, was it 2003 that we nearly got Langley? had we been successfull in getting him, I would guess JJB wouldn't have been here throughout the success. Langley was an extremely good player in his prime.

Just to add some balance here. One thing I will give JJB credit for, and something some other players missed a trick on. JJB realised very early just what sort of a player and example Sinfield was, and got close to him very early. They quickly became best of friends, and JJB changed things in his life to follow the example Sinfield was setting. He educated himself further, he pushed himself in community projects, and he is now a good speaker at events. I have no where bagged him on that. But as a supporter of a team, my focus is the on watching the best players I can, and as a player on the pitch, he really isn't the best option we could have had. But would that have meant we would have been any more successfull? no it wouldn't.

Let's not forget this is Gotcha we are on about

on another planet and reads what he wants to read

Oh so ironic, considering the post of Andy R I responded to.

Clearly, absolutely clearly, not what he said. That being the case, why did you respond in suggesting that was what he did say?

As the list could go on and on, please name the 200 people who could have filled the JJB role at leeds, such that we wouldn't have felt a difference

That sounds like a Damo list waiting to happen.

and probably make as much sense

He's suddenly gone quiet. Perhaps he's learning to read so he can debate the points I actually made. I've made it pretty clear at various points on this board that I'm a huge Sinfield fan. I also appreciate what players like JJB, Burrow, McGuire, Ali, Diskin, Webb, JP and various others have contributed to our success. Adding Kevin sinfield to most sides in SL wouldn't have allowed them to beat leeds. He's a great leader, a very very good player and a legend in my eyes, however he'd be the first to admit he needed a good supporting cast around him.

I just got bored of the myopic, arrogant moronic nonsense posted by the few.

Perhaps before jumping you need to practice what you preach, before trying to have a go at others.

Your wording not mine, and what I originally responded to you on, was that I said Sinfield had done it "singlehandedly". Now if you show me where that was said, then you might be worth debating with. I will of course accept your apology if not. But if you should find such a comment, then you can rest assured You would get the same from me.

You did however describe JJB as an average hangeron who could have been replaced by any of 300 players without impact.

Sorry Andy R, I didn't realise you were posting under two different aliases.

So did I say "single handedly" or not?

And I know very well what I put about JJB and I maintain what I put.

you get better & better!

Keep reading what you think you have read!

Laurie, butt out or post something meaningful for once. You are out of Uni now, so grow up boy.

My name is Lawrie, Again you have proved you read what you want to read




better luck next time

If it's private, use the private message function. If it's in the public forum, it's public.

I think I know what you meant about JJB - that he's in the middle 98% (or whatever the number) you define as average.