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they print that story every day
does this mean smith will be back for the amount we initially offered him, or even less?
a great day for english RL if he returns, play him in the right position and he will be on the plane to Aus come October
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they print that story every day
does this mean smith will be back for the amount we initially offered him, or even less?
a great day for english RL if he returns, play him in the right position and he will be on the plane to Aus come October
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| Quote ="Hopie"a great day for english RL if he returns'"
Not quite.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Deferred payments are not allowed on the cap, as Wigan well know, as they break the spirit of the cap. They could however, offer Lee the remainder of this season on a this season only contract and offer to look at making room for him on the cap next year at a higher salary and him then sign another contract. This would make Lee a free agent at the end of the season and of course any club could look at making him and offer, so it contains some risk. This would not break any rules as they stand currently.'"
Exactly.
There is nothing wrong with a deal that is
Y1 = £x
Y2 = £>x
Y3 = £>x
In fact, they're pretty common.
What Wigan did was take players who were contracted to be paid £x, pay them less in Y1 and then pay them more than their contracted amount on Y2 - a completely different way of doing things.
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| What a waste of time that was.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"What a waste of time that was.'"
Does it prove Union is now superior? Very few league converts seem able to make it.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Does it prove Union is now superior? Very few league converts seem able to make it.'"
As superior as golf then....as so few have converted from RL to become top level golfers.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Does it prove Union is now superior? Very few league converts seem able to make it.'"
I'm guessing that was tongue in cheek, but just in case..... No it proves that the two codes are different.
I hope that Smithy does choose to come back to Leeds, I guess we'll all know by the end of the week.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Interesting. He's obviously going to play for someone in SL this season. Warrington have said they are up to the cap in the past, so have Leeds I believe.
It'll be interesting if the club that signs him has to do any deck clearing in order to sign him.'"
According to a Wire fan 'in the know' on their board Kevin Penny is moving to Widnes full time to free up some cap space and Lee Smith has been assured that his salary will be reviewed at the end of the season when Warrington will have some space due to player movement.
I now have a sneaky feeling it could be Wire.I hope not.
I know there were stories of unrest between Lee and Leeds I think towards middle of 2008 season and it came out after his GF MOM that weeks/months previously there had been a good chance of him going to Wigan.
If the Wasps supremo who said he was not releasing Lee to come back to Leeds last week in the press was miffed about how we would not release him to the Ra Ras part way through last season then maybe he has shafted Leeds and only agreed to release Lee to sign for Warrington?
As someone has said....the plot thickens
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| Quote ="cheekydiddles"According to a Wire fan 'in the know'
on their board Kevin Penny is moving to Widnes full time to free up some cap space and Lee Smith has been assured that his salary will be reviewed at the end of the season when Warrington will have some space due to player movement.
I now have a sneaky feeling it could be Wire.I hope not.
I know there were stories of unrest between Lee and Leeds I think towards middle of 2008 season and it came out after his GF MOM that weeks/months previously there had been a good chance of him going to Wigan.
If the Wasps supremo who said he was not releasing Lee to come back to Leeds last week in the press was miffed about how we would not release him to the Ra Ras part way through last season then maybe he has shafted Leeds and only agreed to release Lee to sign for Warrington?
As someone has said....the plot thickens'"
Yeah but it helps when Tony Smith has dismissed the speculation of him joining the Wire. I hope its not true, but I think he will be a Leeds player.
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| I heard that Lee was offered a contract last season which he felt wasn't good enough, Rhinos felt they had better players in the reserves. He therefore left Leeds in not the best circumstances.
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| I agree Frosties but lets face it,Tony Smith is just coming out with a typical politicians answer. He was the same at Leeds with any speculation.
We all know Leeds only pay what they consider to be the going rate and won't break their pay structure for anyone so unless we are releasing someone (given previous rumours that we cannot take BJB back full time because of Salary cap issues) then Warrington could be his destination as they have history of throwing money at players and if the rumours on their board are true about releasing Penny and possibly Clarke retiring due to injuries then they could be front runners
However,I suppose we could pay him not that much for the rest of this season with the promise of a bigger deal next year when there will be no Buderus and other possible leavers given the many out of contracted players we have at the end of the season.
Smith would certainly give us the versatility cover in the backs that we are lacking with the current injury situation in the backs (although that could be eased with Ablet due back who has played centre a lot for us) but Smith gives excellent ,not just fill in value at Full back,centre and wing
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| Quote ="Frosties."Yeah but it helps when Tony Smith has dismissed the speculation of him joining the Wire. I hope its not true, but I think he will be a Leeds player.'"
How many times do coaches say things like that only for them to then sign? I very much doubt he would be saying otherwise regardless if he is interested or not.
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| Quote ="rugbyleague88"I heard that Lee was offered a contract last season which he felt wasn't good enough, Rhinos felt they had better players in the reserves. He therefore left Leeds in not the best circumstances.'"
That's not totally true.
Lee was pished off with Leeds that despite Hetherington saying he would offer him a new contract immediately after the 2008 GF he didn't until the summer of 2009. By which time Lee had his head turned by the money's on offer elsewhere. That is not to say he left on bad terms, because he didn't and quite obviously regretted his decision to go.
Leeds haven't had a british outside back (bar Senior) as good as Smith in the last near 15 years, so I doubt anyone would have said to him we have a better player in the reserves.
Signing for Wire would not suprise me. You have an opportunity to sign potentially the best fullback in the competition, or keep with Richie Mathers. You would have to be pretty stupid to pass up that opportunity.
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| He will be going to Leeds.
He never wanted to leave in the first place.
I said he would be back in league within a year, seemingly, it hasn't taken that long.
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| Rhinos spokesman Phil Daley said.
"The only stumbling block to an immediate return would be the constraints of the salary cap."
Going to have to be some serious shifting if that's the case
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| Is there a possibility hat some one leaving at the end of the year leaving early? not sure who by the way just floating the idea
Buderus maybe ??
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| Quote ="Austin 3:16"Rhinos spokesman Phil Daley said.
"The only stumbling block to an immediate return would be the constraints of the salary cap."
Going to have to be some serious shifting if that's the case'"
I'm sure there's options for GH mate believe!
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Does it prove Union is now superior? Very few league converts seem able to make it.'"
What about ashton, vainikolo, Hape?
Also, if Union was so superior, then would Gareth Thomas have got his @rse handed to him so spectacularly last week?
League and Union are quite different. Although it would have been nice to see Lee make a better fist of it.
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| I think that while on paper it looks like Smith has 'failed' in rugby union, it s important to look at his reasons for returning. It has been stated that he misses his family, and with a lttle boy, I am not suprised.
However I would have thought he would have played in more first team games during his time there.
IMO I really hope he will come back to Leeds.
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| Wow what incredible news!
Really really hope he comes to Leeds. GH must pull out all the strings to sign him.
How good was he before he left Leeds? = Outstanding, and he was only going to get better.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I'm sure there's options for GH mate believe!
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Hope so
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| No one can tell me that Lee didnt know what direction he was going in when he asked for the release ?
It is clear that some communication happened between Lee and the hierachy at Leeds over the last week or 10 days, as he wouldnt have asked abt the loan move.
The warrrington link is a very new one ! it has not been common knowledge abt mr penney going to widnes, and also he would not have been on the most attractive salary, he wont be getting that much at widnes afterall even if they are full time !!
We need to look at the bigger picture, Keith is probably at the end this year certainly in the centre, Scotty could well be going home? Lee is a quality threequarter who we must not miss out on, we know what he can do, hes english, hes available
Come on Leeds sort it out
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Does it prove Union is now superior? Very few league converts seem able to make it.'"
Try telling that to Gareth Thomas who got knocked out twice on his RL debut
The only way RU can be suprior is by the toughness and with the Thomas debut that is banished straight off. Certainly isnt superior due to skills.
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