Here we go again. Harking back to the past.

Sounds just like tvoc speak - a fellow member of the mutual back slappers club

I think you will find it was the hands and not the minds that dropped the ball so often - which was the main reason we lost.

The mind controls the hands.

I'll consider that a compliment then. Considering how much further up the ladder of credibility tvoc is in relation to you.

Credibility and good judgement and not words that combine easily with Gotcha

It was nothing to do with attitude. The players were trying but we were just set-up all wrong. We are an extremely good side on personnel, very very good first choice 17. However that very talented set of players are very poorly coached. Luke Robinson said during the commentary[i "Leeds don't play with any structure, but with the players they have that is what makes them so dangerous[/i". Thats all well and good when we have a fully fit energetic first choice 17 on the pitch. But when you then put a Loose Forward/Half and a 2nd rower both playing at centre and and have 6 others missing, taking out all the flair and glamour, we struggle big time. Its just a big shambles and that showed, its not difficult to understand. Throw in Kirke and Achurch puddings too, and well...you get beaten by possibly the poorest side I have seen Leeds lose against...

Exactly!

It's worth remembering also it was the coach that selected Briscoe on the left wing when he was just begining to regather his form and confidence on [ithe right[/i
Admittedly he should not be lacking in confidence on the left especially after playing most of his career there...BUT why switch him to the left? BJB is the 'back up' and [ihas[/i played on the left...so again...why??

It is the coach that should be 'dropped' for the next match.

I'll take that, considering the description of you.

Those that resort to personal insults and/or attempted denigration always lose the argument IMO.

Just glad I am not a season ticket holder.

Leeds are likely to beat Warrington next week......despite any coaching deficiences the team will want this badly enough to bust a gut. Time is running out for them to add this string to their bow.

They can want it as badly as they have ever wanted a game before, but personally I don't think we have it in us anymore with this team, to win a must win game against Warrington or Wigan. I was never bothered about winning this or the final, as I don't have interest in the CC, but now we really need this to change the mood around this club. As messing this up, I don't think they will get themselves back mentally for the more important GF run in.

You can forget the GF....IMO all the remaining petrol in the tank is being saved for the CC. Win the CC and the season will peter out....lose and there will be more effort.

The worrying thing about the attitude was that it was the some of so called senior players whose attitude stunk, led by Danny McGuire as captain, he hasn't got a ounce of leadership material in his body.

...and yet our esteemed coach continues to see much more in him than most others. McGuire is unfortunately fast becoming the new Kirke: what exactly does the coach see to warrant selection?



Too many are being selected now on past reputation and the basis of what they[i might [/ido rather than what they [ican[/i do

I knew someone would completely miss the point and you didn't disappoint.

It's not a 'harking' back trying to say "oh we'll be ok on the day" like we've done before. It was to highlight how placing too much emphasis on the game before a big cup/playoff game is as history tells us (in more sports than just RL, with football being a big one also) can be often inaccurate and not key to how things will go.

I'm not saying Leeds will turn up and do the business on Saturday, we may well even get beat quite comfortably (do you and some of the others feel better now for hearing that?). However, I seriously doubt that if we do lose on Saturday it's because we didn't pick up a 'confidence' boosting win over Bradford.

Would it make some more comfortable if I also use the comparison of Leeds playing very well at Wigan on the last league game on 2013 but then struggling in the playoffs? Or Warrington getting 60+ points put past them by London the week before the CC Final but still beating Leeds at Wembley?

Happier now pessimists???

I am interested in how you go about gathering evidence on some ones "attittude".

Do I believe the team prepared for the game. YES

Do I believe they were possibley distracted by next weeks Semi. YES

Do I believe the some players lacked motivation against Bradford. YES

Do I believe that its perhaps difficult or not even desirable to maintain a high level of concentration over an extended period. YES

Do I believe we will win when it actually matters. YES

I believe nothing I read and only half of what I see.

We will win the semi and then we can all celebrate together and hug.

I would agree with that. Which is why personally I think it is more important to look at the run of matches we have had and performing. Friday was just another notch on a list of games where the performance is unacceptable. Had it being one in isolation then as said, would agree with you. But it's not, it's just a continuation.

A run this poor performance wise, I have not seen for a long time. Results I think we might have had a worse run, but performances not so sure. I remember the early super league days and before, and a run of performance like this would generally have everyone saying how something is not right in camp, there is squad differences, etc. I don't think there is that, but I do think there is a realisation with the players that perhaps some are not quite the standard they were, or thought they were.

Yoda, are you today?

This is just authentic frontier gibberish.

Use English man.

Gareth, seriously, Grow up man. You work for a god damn law firm for Christ sake. Instead of chasing posters around coming up with childish remarks. Please add something useful.

You write in gibberish. It's just not on.

It's hard enough to discern what you mean at the best of times but I think you've been hitting the gin some days.

You can't read. Your problem,

Like I said, you contribute nothing.

Yes, that's all about my reading and not about your writing.



You contribute a lot. Very little of it of any substance though.