Leeming, who’s just been called into the England squad? That Leeming?

You think the players attitude is bad? I dont see that at all. Other than KR, which was poor, i cant say the players have lacked effort, far from it. I see a team giving all it has most weeks. Certainly a lack of quality in certain areas but absolutely not a lack of attitude. Jeez the performance at Saints was equal of any grand final win in terms of grit and determination.

Sundays game was poor quality and frustrating but certainly not down to attitude in my opinion.

I do believe Gale, Tetevano and Myler are important players for us and any team would struggle minus 3 big players. When they return along with Lui, Newman, Holroyd, Smith etc we will be fine but that comes down to expectation doesnt it?

I honestly think people on here expect this team to be as good as the golden team, that isnt fair and isnt realistic. Those daya are gone. With a full team we are capable of pushing for 4th along with a few other teams such as Hull, Wire, Catalans etc. Thats where we are.

Everytime we lose its Agar out which again comes down to expectations. We arent a grand final team yet, those days are over for now as i say. Is he the man to lead us back there? Probably not. Is he a steady hand to guide us on the right path right now? I believe so.

Weve had so many injuries in key positions that i think we all agree its a difficult, nigh on impossible, job for any coach at the minute. Lets see how team does in a few week.

And look at last season. Would anyone have believed we would win a trophy at start of season...?

We have no divine right to win Grand Finals. Worth remembering that after Saints won in 2006 they had to wait seven years to lift the trophy again. That's a short break compared to Wigan's 12 year drought after winning it 1998. We'll get a lot better when our key players are back and then it's up to the management to find the talent to put us at the top table again.

Also if we look at the list of CC winners since Sheffield won it. All very good teams. Is not an easy comp to win. That semi vs Wigan as as good a performance as any of the GF triumphs imo...we are moving on a, good direction.....

Winning the CC last year was wonderful, but we played well in one game leading up to it (really well), and then jagged the final against a spirited Salford in a match that could have gone the other way.

Winning games isn't a black and white thing; sport is inherently unpredictable. What Leeds need to do is assemble a squad that is capable of beating the top sides more often than not. The Goldens didn't win every game (by a long chalk), or even every big game.

The club is making the right noises if they have sights on 3 more quality signings. Will we need a new coach for 2022? Maybe. What I do know is that for me, excuses do run out next year and we have the resources to make a challenge for top 4 again by then, with the young lads another season developed and a some more quality added in.

i'm all for an easy cup draw and my old man was all for beating the good teams early and 99 we beat wigan , sts and bradford continuing what we'd built in 98 you'd do better comparing his successor who got to the final playing poorly

I wouldnt compare anyone to Muzza's successor. Least said about him the better really.

we have an agreement

Spot on!

The number of players unavailable is a massive driver of our performances and results. Not only do you replace people with lower quality, but the knock on effect is that the rest of the players are out of position and under more pressure, hence more errors and penalties.

That doesn't mean than the coach isn't getting the most out of the players though

Mate, we won the CC and finished 5th last season.
This season we're out of the CC and 4th from bottom.
How exactly is that a good direction?

Mate we're busted worse than we've engr been, worse than I can remember any SL team being. But some young talent is being blooded and that is massive for next 2-3 yrs....

Other than the HKR game did anyone really give us a chance of winning those games with our injury list.The plus of having the injuries has showed we have a crop of very good younger players.Lets see how we fare when we can select our best halves and centres and forward pack.

Can i ask did you expect us to beat Cas, Saints and Wigan with the teams we had out on those days? And even Hudds away which is always tricky at the best of times for us.

No.
But based on those performances I expected us to compete with HKR and Hudds - but we didn't.
Yes, there are mitigating circumstances as to why we are where we are.
But there are also mitigating circumstances as to why we won the CC last year - let's not pretend that we won it because we're a top team and all is rosy.
I agree that the future looks good with the crop of youngsters we have.
But the present looks awful.
Massive game against Wakey - lose and we could be in a relegation battle.
Win and we could gain some confidence and start to open up a gap.

We didn't compete with Huddersfield?

we lost by a point on the hooter.

I would suggest we didn't compete against Hul KR precisely because the efforts in the previous weeks to compete with the likes of Cas, Wigan and Saints took it's toll.

We won the CC last year because we won the games we had to win, if it was such an easy achievement why did none of Saints, Hull, Wigan, Cas Warrington win it?

Te present looks awful because of the injury list, it might look a whole load different on a month or twos time.

Didnt compete with Huddersfield? 14-13. Missed 3 drop goals and lost to.last kick of the game, away from home with 10 players out.

Oh my. Contender for quote of the year there Simmo. Seeya at the Awards night. Lol.

haha - nice one mate!
Yeh, see you at the Awards night.
You'll deffo give me a run for my money with your ridiculous comparison to Harry Kane and Jordan Pickford!!

Haha thats true

We'll get 'thur' as Sinny might say......

Yeh we all hope so.
Just so frustrating that we have a real go with a young side against Saints and Wigan and we’re all quite optimistic.
Then we get a few bodies back but are really poor against HKR and Hudds.
Yes, Hudds was a close game, but we were still poor.
We take one step forwards and two steps back.

2 weeks to get a couple more back and have a real go against Wakey, hopefully can kick start us.
Is Gale back for Wakey?
That should make a big difference.

Agar hopeful Gale back yeah. We'll be looking something more like.

Do you really believe Leeming should be anywhere near an England side that has aspirations of winning the World Cup - we have Hodgson, Roby, Clark, McShane to name but 4 ahead of him. Is this same call up that include English and Wardle from the Giants - what does that tell you?

Lots of players get called up for training - he wont be anywhere the final squad neither will English or Wardle

You clearly know way more than Wane and the selectors. Fair play to you.....