He does have experience though, but regardless of that he has a higher skill set than those that are very experienced, with a focus and desire way exceeding them.

He didn’t make a mistake with Furner. Furner was the right man at the wrong time. There was exceptional circumstances as we are now led to believe. That doesn’t make Furner a failure, or Sinfield at fault for appointing him. I also don’t believe for one minute that Furner was Sinfields out and out choice. The club have long touted Furner and been linked with him, way before Sinfield got his job.

Like I said, Sinfield should have had his current job when he hung up his boots, and then should have had Hetheringtons role by now.

But I ask again, who across the game in his role is more experienced?

What exceptional circumstances?

He didn't make a mistake with Furner? The man he has publicly said was his number one choice?

If you ready want to get into it the Furner thing is a debacle. He gets his number 1 choice, preaches the need for patience. Then 14 games later the two are so at odds on a fundamental level that Sinny offers his own resignation by way of an ultimatum. That is without even mentioning how utterly te we have been all season. But despite that, most people are supportive of Sinny and desperately want to see him succeed.

You have accused others of being blinkered to Sinny on here yet you are doing the exact same thing.

Just be honest and say he is making mistakes and that in part is down to one inexperience in the role.

So if we are to read/belief our last 10 month.
Sinfield comes with his FRIEND Lowes n makes a mess.
Sinfield appoints his FRIEND Furner and makes a mess.
Sinfield Sacks his FRIEND Furner as relationship untenable.
Sinfield now sits on Agars knee during games.
Sinfield refuses to accept we need a new coach
Sinfield refuses to rid deadwood
Sinfield hasn't strengthened the squad.
Sinfield pi55ed in the wind when Carney questioned him.
No wonder it's a mess.

Don't worry, Gotcha has said he's the best man for the job so it will all be fine.

I haven’t accused anyone of been blinkered. I have accused someone of using a poor interview to push an agenda. And at no time have i said he hasn’t made mistakes, not sure what your reading.

If you reread my previous post, you will have all your answers to your questions asked. But I repeat again, Furner was touted for coach long before Sinfield got his role. I don’t believe for one single minute that was his decision. I accept totally he wholeheartedly went along with it.

So yet again I ask, who is more experienced and as good a skills in that same role across the game? Is it really that hard? That’s the only thing I have pointed out, and you seem to find it so difficult to answer. That is not praise of the guy as you seem to assume, it is simply looking at it correctly.

'Know nowts' as someone name called on this thread earlier

Talk about a load of sanctimonious BS. No one has a clue what's going on at HQ despite some claims otherwise. Classic SS.

Just saying and repeating something doesn't make it true. You accuse myself and others of having "an agenda" just because we have different views to you and you are something of a hypocrite regarding your accusations. You have not been accused of having an agenda against both McDermott and Hetherington despite years of bad mouthing both at every opportunity. It is a year since BM was sacked yet you are still blaming him for current poor performances.

The club may well have been interested in Furner (or not) before Sinfield selected him, but in the end Sinfield and Hetherington have both admitted it was Kevin's choice which was then backed by GH. So no amount of bluster can mitigate his mistake.

Even if you can justify that Leeds needed a DOR in the first place, the position requires proven experience in business, man management and coaching. None of which Sinfield can claim to have. Playing experience is just not enough for such a senior role. If indeed we needed a Director of Rugby then it should have been advertised and a short list selected. Giving jobs to former players is high risk and in his year in post Sinfield has as bad a record as the coach he has just sacked who was in post for half the time. His recruitment and team selections show poor judgement and his clash with his chosen coach point to poor man management skills and he comes over as wooden and lacking the human touch in his interviews. I hope he can learn fast and can prove me wrong.

Pretty fair assessment that but i think Ava will be much much better over these next couple of months. Prob wont see him at his best until next season. Agree theres a hell of a lot of work to do

Come on guys lets stop sniping at each other. We are all entitled to our opinions no one is 100 correct in what they are saying. Lets debate like adults and as Leeds fans lets stick together.

Put it this way; if KS doesn’t end up working out (I hope and think he will by the way), I’d be wanting to know exactly how much input GH has been having all these years on recruitment. He has done a wonderful job with the club overall for a long period of time, but the team is clearly in a mess and has been for a while.

McDermott used to talk about how they would screen players for character and attitude as much as anything, and would only add to the squad if someone was better than an existing player - well if that has been the stated aim in their hiring they’ve failed badly.

They've clearly failed on the attitude front as much as ability. There's zero fight in the squad as a whole. They act like a bunch of U9s when the other team won't let them score.

Reminds me of when we brought in David Hulme to help out in 96. He was past it but he at least brought a much needed fighting attitude to the squad.

Agreed - one thing is for certain those in charge only want the best for the club and as such as tifosi we have to trust them to get on with their job.

Let me split this in two, because you have brought up a point a couple of times in it which I think is more fitting.

Firstly, I don't accuse others of an "agenda" I accuse you, and you prove it time after time after time. Furthermore, anyone, anyone, who truely believes that this mess we are in is not the result of McDermott and Hetherington, and could be fixed quickly, shouldn't be posting on here. They should be banging their head against a wall and knocking some sense into it. That isn't opinion, that's as clear as night and day.

Now more to the point, and one I was trying to get out of Fallon, unsuccessfully. You have been quick to continue with your "agenda" of anti Sinfield, rather than concentrate on what is your true point. You said it a couple of times.

Did we need a Director of Rugby? That you have repeated. The answer to that is, who knows? I don't know, you don't know, and most here don't know. That will only become apparent in the future. That is a completely seperate argument to the person doing the job, and I point I don't feel in a position to dispute at all. However, I personally think the title is irrelevant, and is purely the stepping stone to what will be his ultimate position if all goes to plan.

But, the point is the club appointed this role, along with other structural changes, and they have put this in place. Which then comes back to the person in the role. I ask again, who around the game doing that same role, is more desirable for it than Sinfield? I gave two examples of others, Fitzpatrick at Warrington, and Wells at Cas. Why would you think they are more right for it? Neither have Sinfields game understanding, neither have Sinfields winning mentality, neither was a leader of others, neither had that focus and desire to succeed. I doubt they are is equal intelligence, but I don't know that, and I do know Wells inparticular is an intelligent guy. Now do you hear Warrington and Cas fans moaning about that role? No, simply becuase they don't have a mess to deal with that they have inherited, a mess that is not of Sinfields making. So asking again who doing the role of Sinfield currently is a better fit?

Furthermore, there is many many cases throughout the world of business that you spoke of, where people have based a decision on taking someone on purely on personality and drive to succeed, cases that have been a massive success. What's the difference here with that? That doesn't mean in my opinion that I think Sinfield will be a success, only time will tell with that, but I do think he deserves time in the role to do it first.

I will finish by highlighting one of Sinfields biggest mistakes since taking over that role, which will come out at some point, and I notice as this is another smack in the teeth of another little "agenda" of yours you keep completely quite about it. The backing and decision to retain JJB was a big mistake.

Calm down Lads

I don't think anybody needs to calm down, this is just passionate debate by people who have differing views. It's what sites like this are for.

To answer your previous question Gotcha, I don't know who else we could have appointed to the role, but then it isn't my job to know, that's what GH is paid for.

My only point is that Sinny lacks experience and therefore appointing him is a risk. A risk which at this point has not proved successful to either my untrained and uneducated eye or the SL table. I agree the squad was in a mess when he took over and that patience is required but in the c9 months he has been at the club I have seen no noticeable improvement in any visible element of the club. If anything, I think we have gone backwards.

Will it turn out ok in the end? I hope so but I don't know.

And there is nothing wrong with that view, you are not constantly posting anti messages against him. But I still don't see the issue on the experience side for "this" role. It is new, it isn't there at every club. What those requirements for it are, are not the same you would assume for such as an head coach role. I still don't see a better fit than him for "that" role. Whether it was required or not, I repeat, I can't answer and only time will tell that.

I think KS has man-management track record. The guy was our most successful captain ever, and that was in a team of challenging egos. I don’t suppose that’s an easy job, or one many people could pull off.
The critical thing for me with his new role is 100% the recruitment and retention side, because that’s really all it boils down to. We don’t know all the ins and outs of contracts, nor what players are all being paid (specifically re. JJB and Ablett), and we don’t know how much input GH is having still behind the scenes.
Hurrell and Merrin are both OK signings, Ava in theory is good and the Academy is generally getting it right.
Seriously guys we’re probably talking about a c.3 year process to rebuild here, and KS will need to be judged over time. I’m not overjoyed at some of the players we have signed under him, or been linked with, or sometimes missed out on - but I’m sure he is working his backside off behind the scenes trying to find fixes and we should support him in that IMO. The bloke is blue and amber right through the middle but he’s not Harry Potter.

Let’s just see what happens over the rest of this year with new players and new coach before chasing him down the street with torches and pitchforks.

Agree with most of what Gotcha says re Sinfield etc.
What I wil add though is he and GH have made Far more mistakes than just retaining Jjb and should be held accountable for Signing Ablett Albert Crosby Lolohea L.Briscoe hiring/firing Furner and retaining Lowes as well.
That's a garbage start to ANYONES career as a DOR and it needs reversing whilst implementing a better recruitment/retention plan going forward.

Ablett and Crosby being injured is hardly Sinfields fault.

Lolohea wasn’ T Sinfields signing, Albert will most likely be on a tiny wage and was just a body to sign whilst we were short on numbers.

Tetaining Lowes was a mistake and his biggest mistake Was Furner a mistake he admitted to and even offered to leave because of it.

Sinfield needs jusdging further down the line IMO and we don’t know what other thimgs he has implemented in the club which could turn out to be a success

There has been no new or extended contracts awarded up to now ,I wonder if there really is going to be a mass clear out ? If so I think we need a new coach to be I engaged immediately so he can assess things with the DOR for next year .

TBF to Sinfield, he walked into an absolute poop-show last year, a team bereft of ideas or function. I guess when in that situation you go with what you know, tried and tested, hence the reliance of older team mates and ideas and that hasn't worked out due to unforeseen injuries and a squad that is past it and everyone agrees is now ripe for breaking up and starting again with.

I doubt Sinfield will take us too far forward. Not because of a lack of experience but because he is, and always has been, a perfectionist. His leadership qualities are often associated with those of JP though in fact they were quite different. Faced with this situation, JP would be too bloody minded to give in; KS is more likely to re-offer his resignation if he's unable to turn things around. Not because he's weak-willed, I just don't think he'll be able to cope mentally if things remain as they are.

Ablett was finished BEFORE his mate gave him a new deal & Crosby was playing battered before he was offered a deal as well no excuse whatsoever KS signed both sick notes.
Lolohea was a Sinfield signing as for Albert been on low wages whatever it is its too much.

That theory has plenty of weight but that tried & teseted was already busted broken and ready for the nearest skip to still sign them is negligence imo.

Let me just point out again that we don't know what terms the old guard have agreed to on salary to go around one last year. I doubt they are on as much now as they were during the title-winning years (could be wrong).
I'd like to see JJB in particular take a back office role in media/pastoral support next year.
Again, I imagine there will be a significant clear out for 2020 and it's from then really that we can get a clearer picture of where Sinfield want to take the club.