Agree. The destination clubs should take a big part of the blame as well as the players and their agents. Disappointed with the comments from Steve "butter wouldn't melt" Diamond at Sale Sharks. I hope these guys do fall flat on their faces and we have the last laugh. Wait and see...
Soward's comments where true, but a much smaller proportion of the decision making process than he is trying to make out.

I totally agree unlike that utter tosh posted by that SP bloke.
He regularly posts total BS but that effort yesterday really takes the biscuit.
Whoops, have I laid myself open to a 15 page thread of "you said, I said, no I didn't, yes you did"?

ie. whatever the Cronulla chairman can find down the back of his sofa. Still, with the exchange rate as it is that could be enough to build a new South Stand.

Segeyaro is the ideal scapegoat for a CEO and a club that has well and truly lost its way in recent times.

If the CEO and club can keep running and spinning the Segeyaro issue well into next season whilst getting all the sheeples (fans) onside, it'll be a job well done.

Rubbish player recruitment, poor management, poor coaching, awful academy production line, embarrassing withdrawal from council planning meetings and stadium redevelopment, extracting the urine from the fanbase by flogging them season tickets they didn't need or want... all can be quietly brushed under the carpet.

Now repeat after me...

SEGEYARO - BOOOOOOOOOOO! HISSSSSS! B&@!4£#!!!

I've made a few jokes about this (anyone watching the interview with Segeyaro posted on here when we were looking to bring him over must surely have realized how welded the guy is to his family and his lifestyle in Australia and seen him as a massive flight risk - this was obviously what was going to happen), but people saying he should honour his contract have a point. Just because something is obviously going to happen doesn't mean it's right.
Sometimes in life you make commitments and you have to stick by them. He will hardly be in a situation where he won't be financially rewarded and he'll be looked after in most every other way by the club. He should suck it up and spend the next two seasons doing what he said he would do. It's not like he hasn't had time to think this through - we gave him months to do that with no commitment needed. Frankly he was stuck for a club for a reason, and that was all down to him. He was in stinking form and hanging with the wrong crowd.

Fact is though, he's not coming back and we can't force him. Ultimately the club will have to release him, either for a nothing or for whatever we can get out of Cronulla (or whoever he goes to). I don't know details of the cap, not sure if there is a clause that allows clubs to take off players doing this. If there isn't then the player and his agent have even more leverage.

There are other threads where all these things are discussed. This one is about this player and his situation, I suspect that's why his name is mentioned so much.

He said sheeples

Surprising thing is, I agree with all of that.

Who said anything about bullying - it was obvious Leeds put pressure on him to sign. It was also obvious he only signed because he had limited options at the time and as soon as a suitable option came along he would be gone. Let's be brutally honest Leeds were desperate from him to sign because they also had zero options in that area and needed to be seen to be doing something about the squad.

I would agree if a player like Watkins was to leave then Leeds should be entitled to a fee after all they have developed him through the academy and invested heavily - what have Leeds invested in Segeyaro a couple of business class flights - seriously?

Anyone with half a brain can see he didn't really want to sign - if he did he would have signed up straight away.

Well then he shouldn't have signed. It's as simple as that.

But he did sign. That's the point. We committed to him and he committed to us. There's no get out clause, if he'd hurt himself the day after signing and been ruled out for next year we wouldn't have just been able to tear up the contract, so why should he?

Who developed him is utterly irrelevant. What is relevant is we hold his registration and if he leaves we need a first class hooker - as all the rest are under contract elsewhere we are going to have to pay a transfer fee to get one of those. We're in this situation because of him, so his options are to be our hooker or to convince a club who want him to pay a fee for him.

If we just let him go we may as well not bother drawing up contracts at all any more.

That is the point exactly.
If the club doesn't pursue him vigorously what message does that send to any other player/agent/club?
For once the RFL agrees with us on this as should any person with any ounce of ethics.

If he doesn't want to come back then let him rot for 2 years playing park rugby in wollogong or whatever until his contract ends. If we sell him we'll get jack all and still be without a hooker, we have zero bargaining power.

Can't have players committing to 2 years then backing out on the eve of the season, it's a joke.

If it's a choice between playing park rugby for 2 years and seeing your career slide into oblivion he'll eventually come crawling back to make sure he get's an nrl deal at the end of the 2 years,

yes this time its fair comment

So easy in your black and white world - unfortunately the world is mostly grey.

If we make a mistake about a job what do we do we go and find another one. When you hand your notice in what invariably happens - yes the company suggests its pointless you being somewhere you don't want to be and lets you go.

Leeds were desperate - the idea that Leeds had lots of options that were binned because of this signing is rubbish - if Segayaro hadn't signed Leeds would have been looking at another Falloon. No wonder GH was so desperate to get him signed up - he had no other options - just at the time he was telling everyone the SS was going to be knocked down and they better get their season tickets sorted sharpish!!!

So you think its fine for him to just walk away?

Would it have been okay if we decided to get rid of him if someone like Robbie Farah became available? Obviously not, and he could have taken us to court for breech of contract.

I know you like pointlessly starting argument, but actually think about what you are saying.

If you quit an office job, your notice will usually be less than a month as thats how long it takes for them to find a replacement.
How long do you think it will take Leeds to find a a replacement starting hooker of suitable quality? Probably not until mid-season next year.

How long has Hardaker got left on his Leeds contract? Club's can get rid of players if they want and GH is as good as any.

What do players get from clubs? Wages, and Hardaker's wages will be the same as they were at Leeds (we may still be paying a portion of them), and by all accounts he decided which club he went to as Huddersfield seem to have put in a bid for him.

What do clubs get from players?- their performance on the field, and if Segeyaro leaves for nothing, we don't receive any of the service we signed the contract for.

They are clearly not the same thing.
The equivalent would be if we decided to stop paying Hardaker's wages and told him to look elsewhere, where he could end up being paid a lot less that he was at Leeds, given his 2016 form.

Thanks for the education old boy.

I wonder if you'd be as forgiving if it were Leeds who were trying to palm him off without recompense because a better option suddenly became available.
I can almost see the meltdown now from you and Alex Jones, sorry William Eve, should that have happened.

Even playing that level would still be a higher standard than playing for Leeds in SL.

Wow, do you right for TV?

Some fans are finally beginning to wake up!



Not really surprising after last season and the prospects for 2017.

TheSheeple or sheeple81 will no doubt beg to differ as they continue in their quest to sugar-coat as many turds on offer as possible, which in Leeds case will mean offering up plenty.

Please feel free to point to my sugar coating of this situation, last season's performances, the South Stand.....

or are you doing an Alex Jones / Sal Paradise and just making stuff up as you go along?