Think you'll struggle to make the 8 tbh - think El Capitan without all those fingerholds.

It's always a rude awakening when you visit East Hull.

Unfortunately it's a rude awakening when you visit any part of hull.

Careful, I think Warrington have copyrighted the "This year, its our year" schtick.

Hull fans coming to tell us in pre-season how good they'll be in the upcoming season is nothing new.....it's just usually the other lot.....who have been surprisingly quiet actually, perhaps Pearson's Kool-Aid is wearing off.

No no, a top 8 spot will do for us

1. saints
2. wire
3. Leeds
4. wigan
5. catalan
6. hudds
7. cas
8. hfc
9. salford
10. widnes
11. hkr
12. wakefield


Playoffs
1. saints
2. wigan
3. leeds
4. catalans


Teams to rejoin
hkr
bradford
salford
widnes

GF winners Saints
CC winners Saints

I think it's going to be very difficult to predict the order of the top 6. I was just looking at the table from 2014 and it all hinges on on some key games.

For instance if you take 2 Leeds very close losses to Wigan at Manchester and at home to Saints and turn them into wins for Leeds (which they very easily could've been), then it completely changes the table to:
1. Huddersfield
2. Leeds
3. Castleford
4. St Helens
5. Wigan
6. Warrington

a) Positions after 23 Rounds
1. Wolves
2. Saints
3. Wigan
4. Devils
5. Rhinos
6. Dragons
7. Vikings
8. Giants

9. Hull
10. Tigers
11. Hull K. R.
12. Wakefield

b) Top Four Play-off sides after 8 split
1. Wigan
2. Devils
3. Wolves
4. Saints

c) Four sides re-joining Super League in 2016
Hull
Tigers
Hull K. R.
Bulls

Grand Final Winners
Salford Red Devils

Challenge Cup Winners
Warrington Wolves

Call me optimistic, but I feel that Marwan's persistence will pay off this season. And I'm a Yorkshireman.

Although I agree with your comments regarding Tony Smith, I must disagree with your final paragraph. I feel that the players in the Autumn of their careers will slow down the rebuilding of the team to it's former glories. "Has Beens" don't win trophies.

1. Leeds
2. Saints
3. Hudds
4.Wigan
5. Wire
6. Les Catalans
7. Salford
8. Cas

9. Hull FC
10 Widnes
11 HKR
12 Wakefield

top 4 play off sides
1. Saints
2 Wigan,
3. Leeds
4, Wire

GF winner Wigan
CC Winner Salford

4 sides coming back up the same 4 who went down (unless someone goes kaput)

Regular season:
1- Wolves
2- Saints
3- Wigan
4- Rhinos
5- Giants
6- Dragons
7- Red Devils
8- Tigers
9- Hull FC
10- Hull KR
11- Vikings
12- Wildcats

To make the play offs:
1. Saints
2. Warrington
3. Wigan
4. Rhinos

4 sides to remain in SL:
1. Hull FC
2. Hull KR
3. Vikings
4. Wildcats

Grand Final: Wolves

Challenge Cup: Saints

1 saints
2 warrington
3 wigan
4 leeds
5 huddersfield
6 catalan
7 salford
8 castleford

9 hull fc
10 hull kr
11 widnes
12 wakefield

play offs
saints
warrington
wigan
leeds

4 sides to remain in sl
hull fc
hull kr
widnes
leigh

cc saints
gf leeds

1. St Helens
2. Warrington
3. Leeds
4. Wigan
5. Catalans
6. Huddersfield
7. Salford
8. Castleford
9. Hull FC
10. Hull KR
11. Widnes
12. Wakefield

Top 4 Sides in play offs
St Helens
Warrington
Leeds
Wigan

Sides to remain in SL for 2016
Hull FC
Hull KR
Wakefield
Bradford Bulls

Grand Final Winners - St Helens
Challenge Cup Winners - Catalans

I hope your mob know how to get to grounds like Leigh,Bradford & Featherstone cos you'll definitely be in the middle 8 pal

Regular Season:

1:Wigan
2:Saints
3:Warrington
4:Rhinos
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6:Hudds
7:Cas
8:Salford

9:Widnes
10:hull FC
11:Hull KR
12:Wakey

play-off sides:
1:wigan
2:saints
3:wolves
4:rhinos

The sides that will rejoin SL:
9:hull fc
10:hull kr
11:vikings
12:centurions

gf winner: Wigan
cc winner: Saints

Regular Season:

1:Wigan
2:Saints
3:Warrington
4:Giants
5:Rhinos
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7:Castleford
8:Hull FC

9:Hull KR
10:Salford
11:Widnes
12:Wakefield

Play-off sides:
1:Wigan
2:Saints
3:Warrington
4:Giants

The sides that will rejoin SL:
All four from the bottom of SL

GF winner: Wigan
CC winner: Warrington

Regular season:

1: Saints
2: Wolves
3: Wigan
4: Rhinos
5: Giants
6: Dragons
7: Cas
8: Reds
9: Hull
10: Hull KR
11: Widnes
12: Widcats


Top 4 to play off for GF
As above:
Saints
Wolves
Wigan
Rhinos


GF winners Wolves
CC Winners Wigan

Bottom 4, 8-11 above to stay in Superleague, plus Leigh.

1.Wigan
2.Saints
3.Wire
4.Giants
5.Rhinos
6.Catalans
7.Salford
8.Tigers
9.Hull
10.HKR
11.Widnes
12.Wakefield

Final top 4 play off teams
Wigan
Saints
Wire
Leeds

4 returning to SL
Hull
HKR
Widnes
Bradford

GF-Wigan
CC-Saints

1. Leeds
2. St Helens
3. Warrington
4. Catalan
5. Wigan
6. Huddersfield
7. Salford
8. Castleford
9. Widnes
10. Hull KR
11. Hull FC
12. Wakefield

Final 4 play off teams
Warrington
St Helens
Leeds
Wigan

4 returning
Widnes
Hull KR
Hull FC
Leigh

GF- Leeds
CC- Huddersfield

1. Wire
2. Leeds
3. Saints
4.Wigan
5. Hudds
6. Les Catalans
7. Salford
8. Cas
9. Hull KR
10 Hull FC
11 Widnes
12 Wakefield

top 4 play off sides
Leeds, Wigan, Wire, Saints

GF winner Wire
CC Winner Leeds

4 Returning - Leigh, Widnes, Hull & Hull

1. St Helens
2. Warrington
3. Wigan
4. Huddersfield
5. Leeds
6. Catalans
7. Castleford
8. Salford
9. Hull FC
10. Widnes
11. Hull KR
12. Wakefield

Play-offs:

1. Warrington
2. St Helens
3. Wigan
4. Leeds

To be 2016 SL teams:

9. Hull FC
10. Leigh
11. Hull KR
12. Bradford

GF. Warrington
CC. Wigan

I reckon / hope that positions will move a bit following the split and won't remain 'as before' like many have suggested. We shall see!

Regular SL season 2015:
1- Warrington
2- St Helens
3- Wigan
4- Huddersfield
5- Les Catalans
6- Salford
7- Leeds
8- Hull FC
9- Castleford
10- Hull KR
11- Widnes
12- Wakefield

2015 SL Play-Offs:
1. Warrington
2. St Helens
3. Wigan
4. Huddersfield

Sides to join SL 2016:
1. Castleford
2. Hull KR
3. Widnes
4. Leigh

Grand Final: Warrington

Challenge Cup: Warrington

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Anyone considered how to score this new format yet?

That'll be a job for tvoc.

I'm sure that even if someone else does the job, the redoubtable mr tvoc will check his work.