Look, there's no place for radical thinking here.

Put down whatever it is you are smoking and suggest something sensible.

Well I'll blame the current Tory government then

I blame Harlequins for being the better team!

We deserved nothing last night. The only positive point was the saints went through a very similair patch before they put togther a great run of results last year. Hopefully we can iron out our problems to work towards a better 2nd half to the season, except that we don't fail at OT!

Thats all well and good mate, but what did it get come Old Trafford??? Bugger All as you said. Quins deserved to win....bottom line. Leeds' markers weren't working and it seemed alot of one man rugby. Hardly the stuff of champions.....Bad Bad Times.

Ok i hold my hands up. ITS MY FAULT !

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It's hardly an exclusive club this season is it - Brian McDermott, Shaun McRae, Steve McNamara, Mick Potter (twice) and Des Hasler.

I'm blaming that new polo shirt I bought. 3 times I've worn it and 3 times we've been ..........................need I say any more.

Do you think they'll give me my money back or at least swap it for a winning shirt

that shirt needs to be burned at the next full moon!! (if you could sacrifice a virgin that might help too)

Well Harris was at HQ last night. We need to look no futher for excuses.

We always were a one man team in Harris' days and when I heard he wasn't playing I sensed it was going to be a long night.

And alas it was.

Marvin Golden for right centre?

Funnily enough I was thinking of 'Marvellous' Marvin when reading the thread on Kallum Watkins as Golden looked good in the reseverves/academy, was promoted to the first team, made lots of mistakes, lost confidence and his career as a top flight player was over. Leroy Rivett was perhaps another. I was hoping history doesn't repeat itself with Watkins.

Thats it!

Because Harris used to single handedly carry Leeds for games when he was here maybe the players tonight thought he would do it again, you know, for old times sake??

I wouldn't agree there. Golden's solid, I can't remember him being an error ridden player at all. Solid at centre or second row. He was very work man like and never gave up. He wasn't judged to have that extra quality to his game though. Just didn't quite make the grade, not for his want of trying or for his mistakes.

Then shaft us from behind.

He was ginger (all over). I think that was his biggest issue.

I wouldn't know about that. I'll just take your word for it buddy. I don't fancy checking another mans ar*e, and especially a ginger crack at that.

That's Marvin down to a tee.

Actually I think the difference is in that we aren't fighting enough to get a quick PTB rather than Quins being better defensively.

In the end the forwards arent running the ball in hard enough or quick enough at the moment and so very rarely make a dent in the line for the likes of Webb, Burrow etc to take advantage of. And we aren't working enough to get a quick PTB.

As with Salford, Quins were enthusiastic, they played simple rugby league and didn't make too many errors.

In contrast, Leeds:

Had no kicking game (or game plan at all for that matter).

Didn't offload.

Didn't back up.

Didn't defend well.

Played dull, ineffective one man rugby.

Seemed like they couldn't be ar5ed.

Looked absolutely knackered.

So you agree Leeds were dominated around the ruck then.

i would suggest they were dominated in every aspect of the game

Absolutely - a shift around/freshen up required