His defence is okay in terms of work rate, very similar to all the players mentioned above, I've already said that, although he does drop off a few tackles. However a top class prop needs more than half decent defence. As for offloads and tackle busts. In all fairness he's made 10 tackle busts, (which is a touch more than our guys but hardly outstanding) but only 6 offloads, O'Meley and Radford have both made 10.

As for the white comment, were you being serious?

So you concede that in your opinion he's in front on tackle busts??

So the Hull pack can make the metres but can't break the line??

Sounds worrying.

Also The Most Feared Man In Super League isn't too far behind on the offloads either, so you say.

So the picture you painted of him in attack is not as bleak as you first made out. Wouldn't you agree?

As for the 'white comment' - I will let you and your morality answer that one.

tbh I'd rather have props who make yards and put the team on the front foot than ones who push players off but don't go anywhere. fwiw the "most feared man in Superleague" as you call him, is only 2 tackle busts ahead of O'Meley and Ogre has made more clean breaks.

I would disagree about his attack not looking bleak. He is a first choice prop in a top team and to be making so few carries and metres isn't good enough. I'm sure many of your own fans would agree that he makes few inroads when he carries the ball.

And I think in this case the word you are looking for is moron, rather than moral.

I'll form an opinion after watching them face off against each other this Sunday rather than based upon some mathematical formula.

I'll look at aggression in defence, power of collision, speed of play the ball and penalties won. All stats which are far more important than those listed above and which are rarely quantified.

rubbish. matches are only won on Opta stats

WHAT A SURPRISE ANOTHER TOPIC TURNING IN A BAILEY TOPIC....

being a leeds fan myself ive heard many of these from fickle leeds fans and other fans just unable to keep on there own forum...

i myself like bailey and understand (unlike some) that he is a defensive forward and makes a load of tackles in a game but may not tear the house down in attack but when he does drive the ball in he gives us a quick play the ball due to not tryin to nick that extra yard and that is what leeds play is all about fast attacking rugby

peacock and kylie are the yard making forwards so they are not the same as bailey so you can not compare them or any other yard making forward like o meley and the ginger one....

knock it on the head won't you. It makes you look stupid, and weakens your genuine points when you insinuate people don't like him because they are racist

It's tongue in cheek but also probably bears some scrutiny.

Wish we still had Scruton. When's his Bulls contract run till? Could we make him an offer?

This is the 2nd yr of a 3yr deal Iirc.

I'd have thought Bloodbath's point is self evidently valid.

That's not to say that everyone who bags Bailey does so due in part to to racist motivation or that anyone does so consciously.

However, Bailey is frequently described as a 'thug', 'animal' or 'work shy' or similar. All terms used by racists to describe black people generally. That in itself means little except for when you contrast it to a well loved 'enforcer' or 'hard man' like Barrie McDermott.

Generally players with far, far worse disciplinary records get nothing like the same level of abuse directed at them that Bailey does.

Again, that's not to suggest that Nick Griffin has been setting up user accounts on RLFANS but I'm certain that subconsciously Bailey's colour plays a part in some people's comments.

I think you’re blurring the lines between player opinion and racism here, I wouldn’t hesitate in calling a player a "thug" or "work shy" (regardless of skin colour) if that’s how I felt about them and there would be no racist implications at all with my intent.

I will agree that there may be a few that will hide racist intend behind such language but to label someone a racist because they use such words without additional evidence is unfair IMO.

Ok, I'll run with that then.

I will let you and your MORON answer that one.





Not too hot on the grammar.....is you.

So you don't watch the game armed with a pad and pen ready to tally frantically??!!!!

rob, your a great lad but i think thats bollox mate. RL has always had lots of black players and apart from the odd trip to leigh i have never heard racist abuse.
the guys who slag him simply don't like him because he winds them up as much as there team, and tey don't see what he brings to the team.
add to that nobody likes leeds full stop and he is an easy target

It makes me look stupid???

Right back at you mate.

You keep your head stuck in the sand.

The e people come out with in his direction, from on here to in the stands to in the pub is just plain vile. What motivates them to speak that way? His actions on the pitch don't back their argument up. So what is ??? I wonder???

Wake up.

I'm not saying everyone has racist undertones towards him. Far from it. But I'm judging on what I've heard. I can't do more than that.

All also aimed at Leon Pryce by Leeds fans - are you all racist too?



Perhaps, and I know this is a big stretch, people call him a thug because he's been locked up for being such and can behave as such on the pitch. And work shy because his carries are low for a (former) international prop and in comparison to other front line props?

Just a thought

You are right with your undertone, but wrong to say they call him a thug because of been locked up.

There is this complete myth that Bailey is a coward who gives constant cheap shots on the field. All completely untrue that opposition fans have convinced themselve of.

The only thing aimed at Pryce on this board is derision for failing to show up in the Grand Finals. Nothing more.

There's obvious racist undertones in the hatred shown towards Bailey. It couldn't be any clearer.

How about Graham? are we Gingerist too?

And therein lies the nonsensical nature of the Bailey "race" claims.

I think Burrow and McGuire are overrated and Eastmond and Pryce are the better halves. I sure do hate those honkies. BLACK POWER!

I don't think it's got anything to do with colour.

Most leeds players are referred to as thugs at one time or another (by bitter opposition fans), even little rob burrow.

You obviously never went to the Boulevard in the "good old days" when Hanley played for us.
I was appalled at the racist bile spouted against him & never went back to watch rugby there since.
I'm wrestling with my conscience about going back there a week on Sunday since I think that the Rhinos will need all the support we can muster.
PS I know they now play at the KC but have the fans changed that much?

Pryce is/was a very talented player who has to go down as oe of the most influential and certainly most successful players of the SL era. But I'm a tist, I just hate s, and he can be a prize one.
I hadn't even noticed what colour he was. Maybe that's the way some people see Bailey as well.

I remember the monkey noises visiting fans used to make when Roy Powell touched the ball and the South Stand replying by chanting "ignorance is boring".

I must have imagined the posters on here making reference to his king-hit on Sinfield when he was still at Bradford, or his fondness for fondling the knackers of opponents, or his various off-field misdemeanours.

If you're looking for the moral high ground, it pays to take a working compass.