Blimey, at this rate Leeds fans will be supporting Wigan in the WCC if Segeyaro is playing for Cronulla

Always want the English team to win regardless, did so the previous years when Wigan played so that's pi$$ed on that particular bonfire Billy Boy

Hmm.. that scenario would make it difficult to support either.

If he missed home and family so much why sigh a two year deal ?.
It's no coincidence that as soon as an NRL team have the cash, he's gone. Using Leeds as a safety net and his family to justify ty behaviour .

If he wants gone, so be it. Let him return to Australia but not play until we receive compensation . Sandow, Solomona and Segeyaro pulling the same / similar trick at the same time shows this is an issue that needs a fixed but fair response from SL to stop this happening

It's a very tough position to be in, if stick to guns and dint release him and he returns will he be giving 100% or will he be sat on the touch line getting paid, either one is not a great prospect and one Leeds wire n cas would jot want either way.

Players move and in general the contracts they sign are not wort the paper They arewritten on!! I feel the manner in which the 3 have left is disgraceful when all 3 clubs could have agreed a cash fee for releasing the players. Ru teams have the cash to pay a transfer fee as do the nrl teams. If the players has conducted them selves with dignity and tries to ensure that their clubs received somthing for their departure then it would have been a whole lot easier to stomach!


One thing to look at is how our contracts are written up and whts inclouded in them, clubs can add in other clauses covering things like this in the future??

As TVOC pointed out, Leeds can hardly take the moral high ground when we did exactly the same thing to Salford when Moon pulled to homesick card, only to sign with us.... At least Segeyaro is wanting to move back to Australia, and not 40 miles down the M62....

I know I'm in the minority, but I'm looking at this as a person.... He clearly wanted to be in Aus and only came to England as a last resort, he wanted to return to Aus but had no suitable options, so again, 8 weeks ago signed the only deal available to him as a last resort (and Leeds knew that was the case and rightly played on the NRL clause deadline to close the deal) - he's since received a better offer financially and gets to stay at home in the better climate, better competition and closer to his family and friends.... Why wouldn't he want to stay in Aus?

Yes the club have lost 8 weeks of potential recruitment time, but in the grand scheme of things, and with the lack of player movement in those 8 weeks, the club are not really that much worse off than if he'd not signed the deal 8 weeks ago... Just let him go - life is too short to force someone into doing something for 2 years that they don't want or have to do.... Let the bloke do what will make him happy and focus on moving forward as a club.

Thing for me is that signing for Leeds wasn't his last option, if he missed home as badly as he said then he should've turned Leeds down knowing that he was unlikely to see out the 2 years or even come back at all and headed back to Australia. Yes he would be without a club originally and have to wait but so be it. Clearly playing and getting a nice wage was more important than his family and being home then.

He talked about the time in England maturing him as a person....well part of that involves taking responsibility for your actions, not begging for a get out of jail free card. And no one is expecting him to do the 2 years but he should do next year, 9 months over here when he's been given 3 months off season over there and knowing he can go back permanently at the end of it is hardly asking too much.

Don't you know he likes to go fishing and camping and walks in the country, but thats just impossible living in Leeds... unless your prepared to drive a full 10 minutes!

But in reality, he was hardly going to make himself unemployed when he had an offer from Leeds on the table - there's not many people of his age that would take that risk of turning down a very well paid job to sit at home and hope something else came up.... he took what was the right option at that time, despite it being a big lifestyle change - Just 8 weeks later he's got a much better offer and opportunity that means he doesn't have to move to the other side of the world - of course he wants that instead, and whilst it's a bit of a dirty trick to pull on Leeds, it's not the end of the world and only puts them 8 weeks behind where they would have been anyway had the Sharks been able to make the offer earlier. It's would have been different if he was in the middle of a contract or mid-season, but it's not.

Leeds should just suck it up and move on from it. Being seen to be so understanding might help with future recruitment (though I accept it might also look a little weak). But in reality, Leeds can't 'win' from this situation - he doesn't want to be here and will resent being made to come over, a large fee will not be forthcoming and there is no replacement of a similar standard available (and wouldn't have been if he'd rejected the offer back in September either). So all the club can do is focus on how they move forward without him as the planned number 9.

No doubt they should enter discussions with the Sharks about some form of recompense, but don't come out all guns blazing in the press denying him a release and all the rest of it - get a deal done S swiftly as possible and move on.... There's no benefit in entering into some sort of battle.

Manaia Cherrington in a swap and cash pls.


Thanks.

Leeds can win a proper transfer fee and not just let him go for nothing because it prevents an awkward situation.

At the end of the day he's a contracted player, if a team wants a contracted player they pay a fee. Cronulla want to try and get away without paying one, it's that simple and just letting him go for nothing won't make us look understanding it'll make us look weak.

If he still had no offers from the NRL then he'd come back to Leeds, so that's exactly why we should ignore this homesickness BS and treat it for what it is, a player wanting to move clubs. If Watkins said tomorrow that he wants to join Warrington then should we just let him go for nothing? No not at all.

There's only one team likely to stop Segeyaro from joining Cronulla and that's Cronulla if they don't decide to pay for him.

Not in a pair of shorts and a T-Shirt though. Even in what laughably calls itself summer in Yorkshire.

Ben Barba for a year?

Apparently going back to Cronulla in 2018. Looking for an SL club for 2017. Could be 'encouraged' to go to leeds in exchange for Segeyaro

Would be a bit of a risk, hoping you get the sharks/bulldogs version of Barba, not the one the Broncos got. Not to mention a kick in the teeth for young Golding.

Barba can cover until Hardaker is back.

RFL statement tonight.... Following recent reports in the media, RFL Chief Executive Nigel Wood, said: "The RFL is extremely disappointed to learn that properly contracted Super League players may not be fulfilling the terms of their employment with Super League clubs as agreed. Contracts are two way commitments mutually binding on both parties. The RFL will support its member clubs absolutely to defend their contractual positions and will work with other similarly inclined Governing Bodies to ensure that the unacceptable potential anarchy of lawful contracts simply being walked away from, is not tolerated." - See more at: www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... sM8jd.dpuf

RFL statement tonight.... Following recent reports in the media, RFL Chief Executive Nigel Wood, said: "The RFL is extremely disappointed to learn that properly contracted Super League players may not be fulfilling the terms of their employment with Super League clubs as agreed. Contracts are two way commitments mutually binding on both parties. The RFL will support its member clubs absolutely to defend their contractual positions and will work with other similarly inclined Governing Bodies to ensure that the unacceptable potential anarchy of lawful contracts simply being walked away from, is not tolerated." - See more at: www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... sM8jd.dpuf

The RFL statement suggests this one won't be let go quietly (yet).

I wonder how much Segeyaro and Sandow are being guided in their statements by their respective agents, and how much they really are dead-set against coming back to the UK. If they are genuinely home sick and want to start up businesses etc in Australia then surely sitting out the remainder of their contracts won't be a big issue? And they wouldn't have any need for agents, or a need to pay them then...

As for Moon, I forget the exact circumstances, but wasn't Moon technically a free agent when he signed for Leeds? Salford's error was presumably not holding him to contract and granting him a release, otherwise they would have been entitled to a fee from Leeds? I can't imagine Leeds risking inducing Moon to break his contract, after all, he was never going to command a huge transfer fee.

Think that is correct, Leeds only stepped in once moon had declared he wanted to go home, think he could not get a deal in Aus so Leeds came in for him, all above board, not the sneaky poaching people are accusing Leeds off, Moon simply wanted out of what was a Car crash of a club pre koucash

What have Leeds done to deserve a transfer fee?

Have they invested in him, developed him through the academy - no they have pressured a player into signing a contract he didn't really want to. He helped them avoid the unthinkable - he owes the club nothing

IIRC, Moon took Salford to a RFL tribunal to try and gain a release from his contract. Moon lost and Leeds subsequently paid an undisclosed fee to Salford to acquire his services.

Leeds will no doubt get an 'undisclosed fee' for Segeyaro in due course just as they got for the contracted Craig Innes.

Oh boohoo. Poor old Segeyaro being bullied into signing things he doesn't want to by big bad Leeds. Honestly did you read that post back before submitting?

What are you even talking about? What pressure? There was one week left in the season, if he wanted to go because he was homesick then he wouldn't have signed.
He is only homesick because Cronulla have given him a better offer.

If he had broke his leg, would you say we owe him nothing and should be able to just ditch him?

Indeed. Leeds were very fair, they put the deadline in place but he had a fair few weeks before that to weigh up his options and Leeds also gave him the big extended break.

We have been Mugged off, simple as that.

Did James Segeyaro's agent tell you to say that, or was it someone at Cronulla Sharks?

I'm glad the RFL is at least talking tough. I keep saying it, but the problem is players wanting to have their cake and eat it - contracts for as long a term as possible to insure their income, but wanting to be able to walk away from them as soon as they get a better offer. Its exactly the same rubbish Hardaker pulled.

If too many push down this line its the other players that will suffer, as there will literally be no point in clubs offering anything other than annual (or even shorter term) contracts.

IMO Leeds gave Segeyaro a pretty good deal - a contract for 2016 when he wasn't otherwise going to play, and a long-term offer with a free option for him to decide if he wanted it. These sorts of options are highly valued in business (and usually aren't free), and they always have a fixed term. Given the significant impact keeping or losing a high quality player has in a salary-capped sport, it was entirely reasonable for Leeds to ensure that the option lapsed well before the start of training for 2017.

Segeyaro wasn't strong-armed or pressured into signing anything. even if he never wanted to play in SL, at worst what Leeds offered him was a nice short contract to get him in the shop window, with the added bonus of a fall-back in the event he didn't get an NRL gig. The fact he didn't sort out a deal with the Sharks or anyone else before the option lapsed is entirely his problem.