Bluey wouldn't do that to the lads. He's every one's mate. The group of players walking back from the beach to the hotel with him Sunday morning looked like his bosom buddies.

That's quite a big call.

He's editing quotes then.

What a jolly wheeze.

That's a major part of the problem imo,he's one of their mates rather than their boss.
Mind you the majority of this squad are experienced pro's and they should know better because the number of penalties and offence's is amateur so they are as much to blame as the coach but i suppose if the coach isn't gonna punish them for it there's no real deterrent.

I said that 12 months ago, leadership is about being able to have tough conversations when needed, not giving the gang a cuddle when they need a rocket.

In terms of management style its short term gain, long term pain - I have seen it at that many organisations its untrue, safe to say my usual Options Assessment including culling them.

Or not giving them the job in the first place if they are wearing a Bradford tie.

With this thin squad it's going to take a large slice of luck with injuries for Leeds to stay in the running, even with their early exit from the Challenge Cup.

2008 Play Offs: Penalty Counts For - Against

St Helens 11 - 13
Wigan 7 - 10
St Helens 6 - 8

(Lost all three counts but won the Grand Final - not massive deficits though)

2007 Play Offs: Penalty Counts For - Against

St Helens 8 - 8
Wigan 9 - 7
St Helens 4 - 5

(Marginal)

2006 Play Offs: Penalty Counts For - Against

Warrington 7 - 3

(What happened here?)

2005 Play Offs: Penalty Counts For - Against

St Helens 6 - 7
Bradford 7 - 6

(Marginal)

2004 Play Offs: Penalty Counts For - Against

Bradford 4 - 3
Wigan 5 - 5
Bradford 6 - 6

(Marginal)

And on Sunday it was 12-5 against wasn't it, but despite that they still almost sneaked a win.

I don't think the quality of this squad is as good as 2008, 2007 or 2004 which is why it's especially important the coach recognises that they must not give their opponents any piggie backs.

Fatal mistake especially after a Leeds defeat to the deadly enemy!!

Photos: www.catalansdragons.com/forum/vi ... php?t=7169 And a video from the stand at the last minute: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xmeQy47 ... annel_page

Photos: www.catalansdragons.com/forum/vi ... php?t=7169 And a video from the stand at the last minute: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xmeQy47 ... annel_page

How the f**k did we not get a penalty for that challenge on Lee Smith by the way?

Steve Ganson - Saints number one fan - says NO.

Just shows that had that been given this board would of been a very different place this week

Same as the one at cas that we got away with

People were still decrying the Leeds performance at Castleford and rightly so but at least there was no denying the legitimacy of the final penalty awarded to Leeds by Ian Smith.

some you get, some you don't! they even themselves out over the course of a season!

A penalty to Leeds would have denied Ganson the opportunity to be at the centre of another dramatic finish, and that simply cannot be allowed.

Nice of him to stop the Dragons running that perfectly kickable penalty he gave them on the last play of the first half too...

On the other side of the coin, nice of him to let Peacock and Kylie to stay on the field after their head high shots!

The ones the RFL decided were worthy of no further punishment than a penalty? Ganson in getting one right shocker.

I'm shocked that the England captain didn't get a ban, no really!

That was interesting to say the least. Twice they indicated to him they wanted to tap it and twice they attempted to. Then he let them change their mind and kick the goal.

In the far reaches of my man flu addled brain I thought once you'd indicated your intention to either tap or kick a penalty you couldn't change it?

IIRC G1 once you have indicated verbally to the referee that you intend to kick at goal you can't run it, but there is no restriction the other way around.

You also can't kiock to the corner off the kicking tee to score a try either. (Ask Sinny)

Wasn't the ruling on that it wasn't a genuine attempt at goal, which you have to make after nominating otherwise you could just knock it off the tee, pick it up and run?

That's right. Referee or VR ruled it wasn't a genuine attempt at goal and chalked it off.

Or John Dorahy - tried that for KR against Wigan (John Player Final or something) years ago near the end of the game when a goal wasn't enough to win. The only reason for not being allowed to do anything other than actually having a pop at goal is the touch judges not being in position I assume. If you're going to have a go like that I remember Fev nearly snatching a last minute win in the 80s by launching a huge up and under to the corner with virtually their whole team chasing it. Certainly caused a scare.