When we have a full squad yes. But come on, without 3 first choice props its hard to win the forward battle. Kylie had been outstanding and was the saving grace prior to injury.
You lose the forward battle then your odds on to lose the game right? Well line up our pack to the Salford, Saints, Wakey and Wigan - how many forward battles will we win?
To combat that we need to be playing error free rugby. Churn out the sets and capitalise on the opposition errors. Unfortunately Brian Macs style isn't allowing the squad to do this.

We have Danny Ward as one of our starting props. Even your reserve props outshine him.

Hes playing in totally the wrong position for me. He does his best work at 13. Surely our coach can see see this. Id move Webb to 6 and Jones- Bishop to FB. Try it for the Salford game to see how it works

The worrying thing is the club had the whole of the close season to decide how best to cope with the long term losses of M c G uire and Peacock ! ! !

Playing the pack leader out of the pack and letting Peacock's long potential term successor move to Harlequins while holding onto Kirke seems less than inspired.

Is there nobody in the academy who could have been given his opportunity to step up to the no. 6 position if Webb is apparently not considered good enough in that position ? ? If not why not ?

I have always looked forward to the games against Leeds. Last years cup final though I thought you were very disappointing but thought "ah well, we all have our off days". Yesterday afternoon I watch your U20 completely outplay the Wolves U20 and thought, this is more like the Leeds that were 3 times champions, should be a good game tonight.

But then....oh dear oh dear. For some reason there seemed to be a lack of commitment and ideas from your players. To go 8-0 up early in the battle should have given them a huge boost (especially against a Wolves side also suffering with injuries, the loss of Morley in the pack and stuffed full of youngsters) but they seemed to switch off.

I obviously don't see Leeds each week but from what I have seen this season, it may be a while before they are once again the feared force they once were.

You are wrong being coached by a clown would be bad enough but at Leeds we have a double act of McD and Lowes its like having the Chuckle Brothers in charge. Totally clueless.
Lowes for Poching who got the best of that deal???

Is the answer nobody?

It's funny because its true.

He's right though isn't he? Take the three best props and half back out of any team and ask them to go to a title challenger and I expect a similar result. Especially as our defeat was caused by being too expansive but as we couldn't take them on we have to try and go around them.

Not that I disagree with your assessment of our coach btw. What's interesting is many posters on here hated Tony Smith and gave way too much of the credit for our early successes under him to his "genius" assistant, Mr McDermott.

I watched an excellent BBC4 documentary on Bob Monkhouse that I'd Sky+'d earlier ...

Peacock, Leuluai...

Who is the other prop?

TMFMISL

...waits for the inevitable response from "keith".

why oh why did i go with a clapped out old banger that has now sadly departed this world ( now that i have shot it )
knowing it would cost me £19



when i think of going again

me please

Even without the likes of Peacock and McGuire we have enough 'good' players to do better than we have so far this season. Playing with no structure in either attack or defence, and unwillingness to graft when required is generally not a good recipe for success, injuries or not.

The annoying thing was that they didn't have to play well or do anything special to beat us.
Like last week we beat ourselves.
We weren't overpowered in the forwards but made stupid errors that handed them field position.
&/or possession.
They had a kid & a reserve team forward in their backs (plus Briers) yet Senior didn't seem to bust a tackle all night long.

Leeds for some reason that i can't fathom have always had an aversion to signing top quality players -until their career is in decline. Ben Cross - who looks hopeless, is the latest example.
And why didn't we sign Joel Monaghan when it's obvious we need a centre to replace Senior?

Joel monaghan got sacked by his club for been sucked off by a dog? and him then posting it on the net! Leeds is a family club! When sinfield resigned he made a comment about the player culture and bringing in the right people not just on the field but off it! those comments are about the likes of monaghan, greg bird, westerman and the like. I wouldn't want my kids looking up to a player like that.

I dont care how good someone is on the field. Joel monaghan is a Pratt and I would be gutted if he was anywhere near our club

I'm not bothered about Monaghan, but the players I'd have liked to have signed were two good, young English players with potential to get better, and be mainstays of the team for the next decade. Both were available to us, and both were affordable to us.

But we gave Keith another contract extension instead of signing Shenton, and we signed Cross instead of McCarthy-Scarsbrook.

We dont know the in's and outs of who we went for and who we didnt regarding transfers so idle speculation achieves nothing. If you believe the rumours we were in for a few players this off season Shenton top of the shopping list, alas for reasons we dont know, are not privy to we didnt end up securing him despite another huge rumour circulated round this very messageboard as to why we didnt.

ATEOTD we are 4 games in, yes there have been mistakes, yes there has been a distinct lack of structure but there is nothing that cannot be fixed by simple graft and effort of everyone pulling in the right direction. Im a frustrated as anyone but you can see what they are trying to do and we will get there it just takes time.

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And one of those isn't even a bona-fide prop ..... guffaw.

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When did this happen and why wasn't I informed? I know we're playing basically s[ihi[/it and the buck has to stop somewhere but Kev, please don't take it personally.

I'm going out now, I may be gone some time......

His agent was the deciding factor with regards to shenton the club did not want to deal with him, hes also the agent for chev walker, gareth ellis, mark calderwood, and I think ritchie mathers, I think that answers the question re this player deal agreed but late intervention fron agent, GH said enough was enough no deal and saints stepped in.

That would be Mr D. Howes iirc also agent for Disko and Scruton.

And Burrow?

Correct.