Gareth, are you self-nicknaming again?

boom boom.

i hope i'm proved wrong but i think it's a big mistake not using thackery.
wakey were there for the taking, saints won't be. as i say, i hope smith proves me wrong but i'm not happy about it

It's a good one though. Better than Ginger Hobbit.

PS, PM'd you

Whilst thackray provides good go forward in short stints, he'll be a liability when it comes to playoff rugby.

His handling isn't reliable enough and he's prone to give away a few too many penalties.

Errors need to be at a minimum therefore i think it's a clever decision from tactician Tony Smith to drop him.

didn't do much wrong in the 2005 cup final

Mistake leaving Thackray out of the 18..........more to offer than either Ablett or Kirke in my opinion.

Given that Tony Smith has rather more information to base his team selection on.......

Can you remember the last 2 mins of the game?

In regards to Long and Fausavalu (SPELLING), i won't believe it till i see it. Saints are always upto mind games and wouldn't be surprised to see them both playing.

are you kidding?

They've been withdrawn from their 18 man squad, they can't IIRC.

IIRC teams may make one change to their named 18 man squad between now and kick-off. Seem to remember Saints not naming Wellens in the 18 or 20 for a game last year or the year before, but he recovered from injury quicker than expected and was on the team sheet.

Hull away. As you say, either last year or the year before.

In saying that, they were both in the original 18 man squad announced earlier today, but have since been withdrawn. Whether that changes anything with regards to the rules, I'm not sure.

Yes, but this is slightly different insofar as that they were initially named and THEN withdrawn. If my understanding is correct they will have to produce medical evidence of the injuries in order to replace them in the squad, so I think they'll struggle to put them back in again.

We'll have to see, they've done it before, so you never know with them.

The key question is whether they'd be allowed to do it this time. What happened at Hull was entirely within the rules set out for announcing squads, I'm not sure its possible this time (I'm not sure it isn't either, of course).

I just wonder what thackray has done wrong he's consistently been one the best all year!!

Your first post,
You are Jamie Thackray and i claim my £5



Something serious must have happened for him not to be included in the 18 it's a shambles how Ryan Bailey & Ian Kirke are in instead of Thackray.

And, just for arguments sake, if something serious has happened would it still be a shambles?

tbh i can see them both playing. rumour is that gilmore hasn't trained all week, so wouldn't be surprised to him out the 18 come 2morrow

Just for arguments sake define serious

Put the best 17 in the squad unless it's something really serious............which if it was so bad we'd already know through the grapevine.

Thackray is definately in the best 17 at the club and thus should be in the squad.

I'm afraid it looks like Mr Chino's is taking a final stand before going to coach GB which is only making the Leeds squad weaker.

Will you still be saying this if it proves to be right? Maybe Smith just feels Kirke or Ablett is safer in terms of control and temprement in such a ig pressure game as this.

Not saying its right, just playing devils advocate

i can see why ts has left thacks out due to his errors but bailey gives away the silly pens more than most.

too close to call this one