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| Quote ="G1"Sutcliffe was not as involved anywhere near enough. That is to be expected. The coach himself has said Sutcliffe needs to work on his game management and he does. Still looks class to me.
However, this does put real pressure on Burrow, especially when he also has to cover Dummy half. If Harrigan was an objective poster like he claims he would recognise that in his usual rabid barbs about Burrow.'"
Absolutely agree.
I'm glad for Burrow that he is being given the chance to show his credentials far away from being the 80 mins hooker he is most def. not.....again unfortunately due only to injuries.
Of the "essential" triumvirate of recent years I would only prioritise the retention of Sinfield (at LF) foremost over Burrow. McGuire will be even less of a threat after his latest injury: Sutcliffe is his replacement.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Absolutely agree.
I'm glad for Burrow that he is being given the chance to show his credentials far away from being the 80 mins hooker he is most def. not.....again unfortunately due only to injuries.
Of the "essential" triumvirate of recent years I would only prioritise the retention of Sinfield (at LF) foremost over Burrow. McGuire will be even less of a threat after his latest injury: Sutcliffe is his replacement.'"
I know you and a few others on here think sinfield should go back to 13 however we all know that wont ever happen now.so what do you think we should do when ward is fit aswell as sinfield? who gets the 13 shirt out of sutcliffe,ward and singleton who has been going well in the Position.
I cant see sutcliffe as a 7,infact he may even end up as a 13 long term IMO.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"I know you and a few others on here think sinfield should go back to 13 however we all know that wont ever happen now.so what do you think we should do when ward is fit aswell as sinfield? who gets the 13 shirt out of sutcliffe,ward and singleton who has been going well in the Position.
I cant see sutcliffe as a 7,infact he may even end up as a 13 long term IMO.'"
Over complicating things a bit there.
Sinfield to 13, Ward in back row with Ablett, and Singleton at prop which he is. That's what it should be.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Over complicating things a bit there.
Sinfield to 13, Ward in back row with Ablett, and Singleton at prop which he is. That's what it should be.'"
Agh,not saying i disagree with moving sinfield back to 13 but it wont happen,so like i say,one shirt is realisticaly up for grabs assuming burrow stays at 7 which i think he will as he has gone well lately as has mcshane at 9.
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| Did I miss something?
Did Sutcliffe and Minns propose to move clubs if they did not get a first team game in the last couple of months?
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| I think it's a bit much to expect Sutcliffe to come in and be the main game manager at this stage in his career.
I thought he looked very comfortable in that environment actually. He looks capable of making things happen, gets himself in the right place when chances come along and isn't shy in defence when things are a bit attritional.
Not sure what people were expecting of the kid really. I was really impressed with him again.
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| Young player taking on the most difficult position on the roster, gets are starting position for three games and scores five tries. Not only that but, one of the games is against top class opposition. Leeds fans critical!
You couldn't make it up!
If Sinfield doesn't revert back to loose forward on his return, there is something very wrong with our team set up.
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| Quote ="Ronzy"If Sinfield doesn't revert back to loose forward on his return, there is something very wrong with our team set up.'"
The lad's done brilliantly (undeniably) but he is not going to oust Sinfield from the halves.
He's still young, he's proved he's got a bright future so no need to rush him into play off rugby as our starting 6 unless we really have to.
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| I'd be tempted to play Sutcliffe at 13 when Sinfield is back. Use them interchangeably, and maybe rotate Sutcliffe with Bailey if you want a ball carrier there.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I'd be tempted to play Sutcliffe at 13 when Sinfield is back. Use them interchangeably, and maybe rotate Sutcliffe with Bailey if you want a ball carrier there.'"
Yes thats the way i would use Sutcliffe.We have a strong looking pack and a more than useful bench with everyone fit.This is how i would go:
8.Kylie
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| Quote ="LeedsDave"The lad's done brilliantly (undeniably) but he is not going to oust Sinfield from the halves.
He's still young, he's proved he's got a bright future so no need to rush him into play off rugby as our starting 6 unless we really have to.'"
In my opinion, fwiw, he is already one of the best options we have at pivot. As much as I am grateful for what McGuire has achieved and like him as a player, he has not really been on top form this year and, as someone has already suggested, this latest injury is likely to only exacerbate his problems.
I would also suggest that utcliffe looks more like a stand off than a loose forward.
He has the talent and needs to learn his trade. He isn't going to do that by playing out of position and subjected to the higher physical demands of playing in the forwards. If the best option for the team is that Sinfield reverts back to loose forward, then that is what he should do. Whether he does or not is another matter, and I would tend to agree with your belief that he will not.
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| It doesn't matter which number they have on their backs - when Sinfield is back he'll occupy his usual position on the field and Sutcliffe will move to accommodate him.
Personally, from what little I've seen of Sutcliffe I've been impressed. He has got good hands and strength and can read a game. He's playing probably the most difficult position for a youngster to play, but ticks more of the boxes for a stand off than most players ten years older.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"It doesn't matter which number they have on their backs - when Sinfield is back he'll occupy his usual position on the field and Sutcliffe will move to accommodate him.
Personally, from what little I've seen of Sutcliffe I've been impressed. He has got good hands and strength and can read a game. He's playing probably the most difficult position for a youngster to play, but ticks more of the boxes for a stand off than most players ten years older.'"
Is it ambitious to say that he reminds me a little bit of a young Paul Sculthorpe? I will immediately caveat it by saying he clearly has a long way to go to reach Sculthorpe's level, before anyone starts.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Is it ambitious to say that he reminds me a little bit of a young Paul Sculthorpe? I will immediately caveat it by saying he clearly has a long way to go to reach Sculthorpe's level, before anyone starts.'"
I would say that is ambitious.
When people talk of once in a generation player, I sometimes think they are been far too picky. You get a lot of quality players each and every year coming through. However, the likes of a Sculthorpe are indeed few and far between.
Same kind of build though, so I can see where you are going.
Pinning all future tie down of the stand off role on Sutcliffe, may end up not been fulfilled. From what I hear, Lilley in the under 16's is better still, and not that far behind in years.
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| Why not move sinfield to hooker ?
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| Takes Sinfield too far away from areas where he's going to be able to do most damage with his passing and kicking game.
He's also not got the acceleration you need to play dummy half in the modern era and exploit slow or lazy markers.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"He's also not got the acceleration you need to play dummy half in the modern era and exploit slow or lazy markers.'"
Thought you were talking about Sinfield, not McShane.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Pinning all future tie down of the stand off role on Sutcliffe, may end up not been fulfilled. '" Gibbersh. Just gibberish.
Not taking an issue with whatever point you're attempting to make. I can overlook typos. I don't even bring up the been and being issue any more. However that sentence is just authentic frontier gibberish.
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| Quote ="G1"Gibbersh. Just gibberish.
Not taking an issue with whatever point you're attempting to make. I can overlook typos. I don't even bring up the been and being issue any more. However that sentence is just authentic frontier gibberish.'"
Blazing Saddles. Question, does Gotcha live in a town where everyone is related and have the same surname? Hang on a minute, that would be Cas!
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| Going back to the topic, Sutcliffe has made the first steps and needs to continue his devlopment. He isn't going to do that being played out of position. Although, I accept the point that, to some extent, the positions in question are interchangeable.
One thing I did notice on Friday was that he wasn't averse to the odd cheap shot in the tackle. If he continues with that and develops further, he'll be about as popular as Bailey by this time next year.
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| I actually think that playing him out of position is a good move. Get him ready for the physicallity of SL, without giving him the burden of being chief playmaker. He needs to get used to being hit by big blokes, and needs to get used to the speed of play before he can start to direct it
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| That is one argument, the potential for unnecessary injury through over work at a young age is another. In fairness, I aren't too fussed as long as he keeps getting a game because, he has demonstrated he is worthy of a place.
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| Quote ="The Eagle"I actually think that playing him out of position is a good move. Get him ready for the physicallity of SL, without giving him the burden of being chief playmaker. He needs to get used to being hit by big blokes, and needs to get used to the speed of play before he can start to direct it'"
I would agree.Any game time he gets from now on is a bonus as i guess he has already had as much or more than he or the club would have anticipated at the start of the year.
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| From an outsider point of view, Sutcliffe is more than capable of keeping that role.
I'm a big fan of Sinfield but as already said, he'll play his role no matter what number he has.
I would say Sutcliffe is fighting with McGuire and Burrow and if Burrow goes back to hooker it is a nice set up.
No problem with letting a kid have some games off to keep him fresh but he's one of the best stand offs in the league already imho.
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