And he's played a fair bit at prop.

Very true.

I think SOL is the best of a fairly weak LF offering in SL (given Sinfield has been down on his usual standards). Fitzgibbon might have been as decent shout had he played there enough.

Keith Senior, 35 tackles on Saturday with no misses.

Leeds have been playing him out of position all season that's all.

Sinfield is overated

Sinfield played quite a few games at 6 when Burrow was injured. I don't know if he's played more there than at loose or not

And very good at it he was too!
Too late to move him permanently this year though imo.

Same sh#t different season but a different crank now the pies have something to shout about.

Not really fella never have rated him tbh

your right he's rubbish. in between captaining leeds to 5 grand finals, with 4 wins, in 6 years he's done nothing

Only thing O' loughlin is good at is swinging arms, cheap shots.

Oh and no real creativity, how many goals has he kicked this year, not in the same class as sinfield overall, just what does he bring to the pies ?????? and or the super league in fact sorry if this is harsh but face facts he is just a meter maker and not avery good one at that.

captaining leeds to 5 grand finals, with 4 wins, in 6 years he's done nothing has he, something O'Looughlin can only ever dream about. FACT

He doesn't kick for us do you want to get into a points argument between our 2 kickers cause there will be only 1 winner

Says something when he could only get into the england team in a position he doesn't play

Sorry King Warrior I wasn't comparing goal kickers just pointing out what sinny brings to the team/game that Mr O'Loughlin clearly does not, please enlighten us to the qualities of your number 13, as I just cant see them and would further question his inclusion inthe dream team, not that I am saying sinny deserves to be in it as he does not he has been way below his normally high standards in all aspects of his game

Well we all have opinions and if you cant see what locky does for us it's not worth explaing

There are 2 positions i'd change in that dream team and is senior for atkins and roby for eith piggy or monaghan

Just about ok with choices but 2 positions puzzle me:-

Has Tomkins really been better than McGuire this season?

Is Wellens the best FB in the country?

and if you can't see what a guy who has captained a team to 4 Gf wins can do for us you don't know much about rl

For me he is a good club man and great kicker, He would never get a look in for England if he was playing for the likes of Cas or Quins though for example, he reminds me of Deacon with just a bit more pace and size.

I suppose if you ignore the fact that:

Roby has scored 6 times as many tries as Piggy
Roby has created 6 times as many tries as Piggy
Roby makes twice as many carries for over 1m per carry more than Piggy
Roby averages over 30% more tackles a game and misses fewer of them than Piggy
Roby makes 6 times more offloads as Piggy
Roby makes 4 times as many tackle busts as Piggy
Roby makes 4 times as many clean breaks as Piggy
Roby has kicked 40/20 and Piggy hasn't
Roby gives away fewer penalties than Piggy

then you have a great point there.

It seems to me that O'Loughlin is (just as Sinfield tends to be) underestimated by opposition fans.

He's had a very good year and fully deserves his selection IMO.

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Is that the Australian Michael Dobson who currently plays for Hull KR. Have I missed something?

This year O'loughlin in 3 more games has significantly bettered Sinfield in the following:
Tries
Try assists
Metres
Tackles
Tackle busts
marker Tackles

He has made slightly more errors and penalties given away (in more games)

And has missed fewer tackles and had fewer yellow cards.

Oh and he has missed fewer goal kicks as well!

Agree entirely.

McGuire should have been at 6; Tomkins at 1.....but think others have stated the "rules" meant Tomkins had to be chosen at 6, or not at all.

It is worrying that Wellens can still be considered the best FB in the country in a "dream team".

Much as I admire Senior I would prefer Atkins in the "dream team"....and to think Atkin's another one that we 'let go.'

Certainly does my friend.

Sinfield has had a mediocre year. O'Loughl;in has had a great year.

Sinfield remains one of the greats of the game though.

I've always liked O'Loughlin and never understood why people bag him so much. If we get a decnt halfback partenership and fullback (some combination of Widdop, Eastwood, Tomkins and McGuire) then I'd like to think we could bury the 'ball handling loose forward' idea that hasn't worked in the 30 years I've been watching GB/England get pasted.

Well said tvoc! How any opposition fan can feel they have justification to bag either player just baffles me. O'Loughlin has been outstanding for Wigan this year (as he has been even in poorer teams for some years now). It amazes me that coaches, players and journalists throughout this year have mentioned him as a potential MOS yet some opposition fans (and I stress ONLY opposition fans - go figure!) seem to think they have some greater insight than those who play/coach with and against him or see most, if not all, games he plays. Some people need to take a reality check on the self important view of their own opinions. But, of course, that's only MY opinion!



As for anyone doubting the importance of Sinfield to the Leeds team; have a word with yourselves!