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Quote ="rollin thunder"Head a strong rumour from somebody connected at Cas that Powell will be coming our way before the season is out, and Daily Star running with the story as well. So there might be the something in it. Although it is the Star
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... therington'"
Could be something in that and would make sense in why they are waiting
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Quote ="rollin thunder"Head a strong rumour from somebody connected at Cas that Powell will be coming our way before the season is out, and Daily Star running with the story as well. So there might be the something in it. Although it is the Star
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... therington'"
Could be something in that and would make sense in why they are waiting
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| Is Leeds an appealing proposition? I honestly don't know. I know we are a big club in many ways but the work needed to get us up the league should not be underestimated. I would also think an Aussie coach would think twice given the Furner situation.
As for the comment about Watson and Marshall working wonders on a budget. The Leeds job is not a budget job and requires different skills. They may have those skills but you really can't compare what they have achieved with the resources they have had and what is required at Leeds.
I know this all sounds very Debbie Downer but it just shows how difficult a job the club have to get this right and therefore why it is taking time.
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| Of course its an appealing proposition... the stadium, the facilities, spending power, the crowds, a quality academy, the history, the sheer size of the club, the famous name.. what more could a coach want. No where is perfect but to even suggest it's possibly not an appealing job is rather daft.
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| Quote ="Trebor1"Of course its an appealing proposition... the stadium, the facilities, spending power, the crowds, a quality academy, the history, the sheer size of the club, the famous name.. what more could a coach want. No where is perfect but to even suggest it's possibly not an appealing job is rather daft.'"
I didn't say it wasn't, I said I didn't know as I've no idea what a top grade coach considers appealing.
In terms of what more could a coach want;
A playing roster that gives a sh#t
Some level of depth
A management team that not only talks about patience but shows it.
A clear level of control which I'm not sure our current structure gives.
Some coaches are great at rebuilding and relish that, others don't. There is an awful lot in the mix here and just saying we are an appealing proposition won't be enough to win anyone over.
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| Quote ="Fallon"Is Leeds an appealing proposition? I honestly don't know. I know we are a big club in many ways but the work needed to get us up the league should not be underestimated. I would also think an Aussie coach would think twice given the Furner situation.
As for the comment about Watson and Marshall working wonders on a budget. The Leeds job is not a budget job and requires different skills. They may have those skills but you really can't compare what they have achieved with the resources they have had and what is required at Leeds.
I know this all sounds very Debbie Downer but it just shows how difficult a job the club have to get this right and therefore why it is taking time.'"
Of course its an appealing position, as alluded to, we have probably the best resources in the country, financially stable, history etc, yes we are in a hole but that is what could be appealing to any coach with ambition, we have everything there at the moment apart from the team and the coach, I would imagine the thiught of being the coach to turn it around would be massively appealing
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| Quote ="christopher"I’ve never given much weight to this rumour and still don’t but, it might not be a bad move for Powell, Cas seem to be on a bit of a downward trend and he may have taken them as far as he can?
Were at the bottom of a downward trend and need someone to take us back on an upward trend, the Leeds job will be a very attractive position for a lot of coaches.
He comes across as a bit of a misery guts sometimes and I don’t like how he deals with the press but I couldn’t give a monkeys if he can get us olaying like cas were a few seasons ago, I’m not fussed about winning anything in the near future either.'"
Let’s hope we really are at the bottom of our downward trend!!
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| Really hope theres somthing in these Powell rumours. As for the job itself, its an unbelievable oppurtunity for a coach, as already alluded to, just about everything is as good a it gets in British rugby league...Stadium, finances, facilitys, Academy, history, fanbase, the only thing that isnt top draw is the actual first team and if it was, the job wouldnt be available to start with. Any coach that wouldnt back himself to succeed here, i wouldnt want anyways. Really dont get this poisoned chalice notion the media are spinning, its a brilliant oppurtunity for a coach.
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| Quote ="christopher"Of course its an appealing position, as alluded to, we have probably the best resources in the country, financially stable, history etc, yes we are in a hole but that is what could be appealing to any coach with ambition, we have everything there at the moment apart from the team and the coach, I would imagine the thiught of being the coach to turn it around would be massively appealing'"
We have everything but the team and the coach???
So we have nothing really then.
The ground, the finances, the history all mean very little without the team and the coach. You're talking as a fan and not trying to see this through a potential coaches eyes.
If you are out of a job of course you would jump at this opportunity if you are UK based but do you really want someone currently not employed as you have to ask why they aren't - I see why it would appeal to them. If you are employed and at a level lower than us why do you think you can do the job - I see why it would appeal to them. If you are doing well at a club high up would you leave to catch our potential hospital pass? I'm not sure you would.
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| One coach who is out of a job and could do the job is Tony Smith.
Also I think Simon Woolford is doing a fine job at Hudds
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| Smith is an interesting one. They say 'never look back' for a reason. I'm.not sure I see him coming back.
I agree woolford has done a good job at Hudds. If they could avoid there perennial bad start they could be a force in the playoffs.
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| Poison Challis just like the Wigan job was in the noughties, Career killer if you don't get it right
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| Quote ="Fallon"We have everything but the team and the coach???
So we have nothing really then.
The ground, the finances, the history all mean very little without the team and the coach. You're talking as a fan and not trying to see this through a potential coaches eyes.
If you are out of a job of course you would jump at this opportunity if you are UK based but do you really want someone currently not employed as you have to ask why they aren't - I see why it would appeal to them. If you are employed and at a level lower than us why do you think you can do the job - I see why it would appeal to them. If you are doing well at a club high up would you leave to catch our potential hospital pass? I'm not sure you would.'"
Id flip it round and say you’re seeing at as a fan who’s disappointed with how the team is at the moment.
Potential coaches will be looking at just that - potential, how often do new coaches come in Often when teams are not doing so good, a potential coach will take into consideration things above and beyond what the team is currently doing they will come in thinking what they can do to make things better, stability, finances, academy prospects and structure will all help with that.
The Leeds Rhinos coaching position will not be short of candidates
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| Quote ="christopher"Id flip it round and say you’re seeing at as a fan who’s disappointed with how the team is at the moment.
Potential coaches will be looking at just that - potential, how often do new coaches come in Often when teams are not doing so good, a potential coach will take into consideration things above and beyond what the team is currently doing they will come in thinking what they can do to make things better, stability, finances, academy prospects and structure will all help with that.
The Leeds Rhinos coaching position will not be short of candidates'"
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| Quote ="The Whiffy Kipper"Poison Challis just like the Wigan job was in the noughties, Career killer if you don't get it right'"
Good effort. Now take your rod elsewhere
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| I guess we’ll get the full story made public in due course. I wonder if it was difference on players - Sinfield very keen to honour club contract commitments and look after the old guard...
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| Not sure why the club is still talking about it. Furner has gone it's time to move on.
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| If those stories about Sinfield and Furner relationship breaking down. Have any truth if it goes to court there could be some damaging evidence coming out .I think Furner could respond with his side
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Not sure why the club is still talking about it. Furner has gone it's time to move on.'"
Yeah, I just don't know why Hetherington does this. Every time he does this sort of interview he ends up chucking someone under the bus. This time it's Sinfield, all the pressure on him now. Gets it wrong and everyone knows there is a pattern.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Yeah, I just don't know why Hetherington does this. Every time he does this sort of interview he ends up chucking someone under the bus. This time it's Sinfield, all the pressure on him now. Gets it wrong and everyone knows there is a pattern.'"
Yes even Sinfield said in a recent TV interview when Furner was mentioned ' do we really have to go back to this? '
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| I have said before that GH is still very much in charge and needs a fall guy.He is one cool customer, as Harris and Caisley found out.
But in KS he finds a VERY focused individual,interesting times!
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| I think Sinfield brings mental toughness, team ethos and humility. But he is also bloody-minded when he wants to be.
I do think he's a fit DoR, but it's clear he needs a head coach who will work under his general instruction. That's pretty challenging when you're being asked to polish a poo without too much input into the changes.
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| For me the evidence is clear that this squad is just not good enough. It's not just an underperforming mid-table team.
A significant number of the McDermott-legacy players are now plying their trade in mid-table Championship sides, which is where they always belonged. It's crazy. And this was our grand strategy to replace the golden generation?
If we make around three more top class (and I mean top class) signings for 2020 as we get rid of most of the remaining dead wood, a new coach has something to work with.
Furner is well known as a really nice bloke - any other coach considering coming to us is going to feel like they have a target on their forehead before they even start. Plenty will apply; but will the RIGHT candidate want it?
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| Very interesting that Sinny offered to resign. Part of me respects that given Furner was his choice. Part of me wonders how they drifted so far apart on ideology so quickly if they had done their due diligence.
I just wonder if Agar will stay in charge (I know he has said he doesn't want to but money talks) and that will allow kev and GH to pull the strings with little resistance. In essence Agar is literally just a coach with no say in anything else. Feels like there is a bit of a power struggle going on... Or maybe I've just been watching too much Dynasty lately?
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| Quote ="Fallon"Very interesting that Sinny offered to resign. Part of me respects that given Furner was his choice. Part of me wonders how they drifted so far apart on ideology so quickly if they had done their due diligence.
I just wonder if Agar will stay in charge (I know he has said he doesn't want to but money talks) and that will allow kev and GH to pull the strings with little resistance. In essence Agar is literally just a coach with no say in anything else. Feels like there is a bit of a power struggle going on... Or maybe I've just been watching too much Dynasty lately?'"
I don't see that. I think Sinfield and Agar are both a bit risk-adverse and understand the revolving door that is head coaching. It's not for everyone (I know Agar has been one before). If you want a steady job then head coach isn't it.
By appointing people who do thrive on that risk/reward element, they take the fall rather than you when results don't go your way.
It wouldn't surprise me if Agar got the job but I suspect not.
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