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| Quote ="mrtodd28"Can you see him still at Leeds in 2/3/4 years time playing regular first team?'"
Yes, I don't see why not. The club seem to think the same having given him the number 9 shirt and a long term contract.
I don't see why anyone would totally write off a kid at the age of 22 after limited game time.
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| Add the fact that McShane has appeared in a world club challenge and was a part of the winning team too. The criticism of him is totally unfounded.
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| Still reckon the kid is a dead ringer for Kevin Dick
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| Quote ="Him"Yes, I don't see why not. The club seem to think the same having given him the number 9 shirt and a long term contract.
I don't see why anyone would totally write off a kid at the age of 22 after limited game time.'"
I'm not so sure, he may have been given the number 9 shirt yes...only because he was the only out and out hooker at the club (apart from hood). When everyone is fit he has struggled at times to even make the bench, I don't think Brian McD is a massive fan along with many many Rhinos fans.
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| Mcshane did well when he came on today but of course it won't count with many because we put 50 on a poor Broncos team.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Add the fact that McShane has appeared in a world club challenge and was a part of the winning team too. The criticism of him is totally unfounded.'"
Just my opinion!! That doesnt mean anything ask KIRKE...?
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| Quote ="mrtodd28"Just my opinion!! That doesnt mean anything ask KIRKE...?'"
The bottom line is these players make up a team OUR TEAM. Not everyone can be as brilliant as your Rob Burrow’s or your Danny McGuire’s due to the constraints of the salary cap. Both McShane and Kirke take up a slot that won’t be filled by an up and coming James Roby or James Graham anytime soon because players of that calibre are rare. Not just rare – expensive too and every position can’t be filled by superstars in this salary cap era.
Now we can either choose to get behind our players and support them as a team or we can nit-pick at them as individuals. It’s a team sport and if my team are winning then I’m happy for all the players for doing their bit. I’m never going to single anyone out for letting the team down if the team wins. It just doesn’t add up.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds" It just doesn’t add up.'"
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Mcshane did well when he came on today but of course it won't count with many because we put 50 on a poor Broncos team.'"
london were better than bradford mate
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| Quote ="mrtodd28"I'm not so sure, he may have been given the number 9 shirt yes...only because he was the only out and out hooker at the club (apart from hood). When everyone is fit he has struggled at times to even make the bench, I don't think Brian McD is a massive fan along with many many Rhinos fans.'"
Macca has been named in the 17, 8 out of 11 games this season, including the wigan game when he was an unused sub. He signed a four year deal at the end of last season, if mcdermott didnt rate him he could have let him go
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| Diskin made his debut in 2001 and it wasn't until the 2004 season that people were convinced by him. Hell some still weren't right up to when he left.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"london were better than bradford mate'"
I agree but that wont alter with those who have already written Mcshane off bud.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I agree but that wont alter with those who have already written Mcshane off bud.'"
He looked sharper today, to me he seems to play better when being used from the interchange bench.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Diskin made his debut in 2001 and it wasn't until the 2004 season that people were convinced by him. Hell some still weren't right up to when he left.'"
Which people were these?
Diskin was absolutely superb on his debut at Wheldon Road in the Challenge Cup while standing in for the injured hooker and the obvious 1st choice option at 9 (16 appearances later) as soon as Mears left the club at the end of that year.
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| Quote ="Fieldheadrhino"He looked sharper today, to me he seems to play better when being used from the interchange bench.'"
I think it's more of a case of having momentum and running options to work off.
I also think his kicking game in either half is a huge bonus and hopefully the more he's used he'll cement his place then hopefully Hood will do the same and RB can go back to 7.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Which people were these?
Diskin was absolutely superb on his debut at Wheldon Road in the Challenge Cup while standing in for the injured hooker and the obvious 1st choice option at 9 (16 appearances later) as soon as Mears left the club at the end of that year.'"
Sorry, meant to put ''wasn't until 2004 that SOME people were convinced by him''.
Which is true, because lets be honest even after 07 and 08 Grand Finals, SOME were still crying out for a more creative and attacking hooker at Leeds. I was a fan of Diskin and he was a great servant to the club but you can't deny that he had his detractors amongst the fans right up to his departure.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Sorry, meant to put ''wasn't until 2004 that SOME people were convinced by him''.
Which is true, because lets be honest even after 07 and 08 Grand Finals, SOME were still crying out for a more creative and attacking hooker at Leeds. I was a fan of Diskin and he was a great servant to the club but you can't deny that he had his detractors amongst the fans right up to his departure.'"
Buderus was/is better
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| Putting aside the good win today against poor opposition, the next 6 league games (with 3 rounds of the CC interspersed if we progress that far) are
Catalans (H), Hull FC (A), St Helens (H), Bradford (Manchester Magic), Wigan (H), Warrington (A)
Going to be a vital couple of months in terms of trying to get close to the other 2 pieces of silverware for this year.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Buderus was/is better
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Never said he wasn't so stop trying to be clever.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Never said he wasn't so stop trying to be clever.'"
Wasn't trying ....it just comes naturally.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Wasn't trying ....it just comes naturally.'"
So does needing to go to the toilet for a .
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| Quote ="Norman Stanley Fletcher"Still reckon the kid is a dead ringer for Kevin Dick'"
Absolutely agree. Hope he becomes the same combative handful.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Sorry, meant to put ''wasn't until 2004 that SOME people were convinced by him''.'"
That's OK, some people don't really understand the game that's played in front of them. Thankfully there's an active covert education programme now in place and basic aspects such as defensive alignment, forward passes and knock-ons are beginning to be correctly identified.
Quote ="ThePrinter"Which is true, because lets be honest even after 07 and 08 Grand Finals, SOME were still crying out for a more creative and attacking hooker at Leeds. I was a fan of Diskin and he was a great servant to the club but you can't deny that he had his detractors amongst the fans right up to his departure.'"
His detractors I guess were generally disappointed they had to wait such a long time to get the pre knee reconstruction Diskin back out on the field and some I imagine never felt he quite got back to that full International standard post his return in 2005.
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| Quote ="Luke Leaner"[i"The regular season is unimportant and the weekly rounds are meaningless. It's all about how you finish, not how you start. We won it from 5th last year and we'll do the same this year"[/i etc, etc, etc.
I appreciate that our success in recent years has lead some supporters to pump up their arrogance levels and believe that we are close to invincible, but this kind of attitude is very dangerous.
If anyone needs reminding, what we did last year was not the norm - and we were the first ever club to do it. Do people really think that regular season rounds are unimportant and that we're going to do the same thing again?
We have played badly for 3 weeks on the trot. Really badly. It's wrong to think that it doesn't matter and people who think otherwise are going to be in for a shock because, like it or not, league position is vital when it comes to play off time.'"
Interesting. I sometimes share your frustration with the weekly rounds. Not so much that we are "expected" to lose so many; but the flat performances that are produced.
Last night vs. Catalans was an antidote to that, a rough and tough encounter where the impression was given that the result did matter for both teams, and I thoroughly enjoyed the 80 minutes.
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