Leeds have been a back end of the season team the past couple of years coming to life in the later stages so who knows whats round the corner this year!

On the sherbet so early?

Rubbish - Leeds frustration was their inability to compete with a far superior side - sides on the receiving end give away most penalties - something very evident last night.

Leeds have been the biggest whingers in Superleague for the last three or four seasons, regardless of the referee and particularly when losing. Leeds showed a lot of indiscipline last night, in their ball handling and in their attitude. If they get both those factors sorted then they may have a chance this season.

As well as Leeds being inconsistent around the ruck and giving silly penalties away when it wasn't needed.never really help their matters either!

As much as it pains me to agree with a Saints fan.... I do with last part. The first sentence is just a poor attempt at trolling mate

1. Our team selection was wrong/poor, 2. Our gameplan was wrong/poor, 3. Our 'shape' was wrong/poor, 4. Our gameplay was wrong/poor, 5. Our decision making was wrong/poor, 6. Our discipline was wrong/poor, 7. Our coach was wrong/poor, and 8. Warrington were the opposite!
On top of that we had Child who has been promoted way above his level of competence and who, last night, appeared to let so many 'Warrys' encroach well into the 10 that it was non-existent and who made, as usual, a few blatant errors. The players and the SS get so frustrated by his apparent determination to ignore even-handedness and to influence the game more than the players. The players HAVE to ignore it and play-on, but they don't seem to be able to. The SS, me included, just get angry and disappointed, and we are entitled to! We pay!
If Child spent less time doing his wierd visualising and positioning practice whilst talking to himself before the game and more learning how to be fair, accurate and just he could be a decent Ref. He's not there yet.. .by a long way!

Child was going back 12 or 13 metres last night so of course the Warrington defenders were stood in front of him.

Look at the way Leeds fail to do the most fundamental basics like numbering up correctly in defence, and calling the plays in advance, before you start having a go at the ref. For example how many times did we fail to make a competent last tackle play, or how many times did we fail to pair off correctly at a scrum when they had the feed. Basics that are only one simple aspect of why we are crap. All this without going into collision technique or ball control. TS had to coach the players how to hold the bloody ball when he came, and it looks like we have forgotten everything he ever said in favour of the current pair of muppets...

Not looking good for leeds with them two in control tbh!

How can the referee be an influence on a team dropping the ball? As regards the mouthing off, certain Leeds players have been doing this for some time and it is purely and simply indiscipline. If a decision doesn't go your way just accept it and play on.

While dissent has been a problem for perhaps the past 3 or so seasons, I take it you have not seen many games involving the stains?

TBH thats somethign we're doing really really well this year, i never noticed previously how bad we were at that under cullen i dont know whether its a general coaching thing or hodgson marshalling better from FB but we're spot on with that this year.

Also, as cull has pointed out on boots n all, we've got the technique now on our goal line, or within our 10m' only using one marker, which gives us an extra man in the line, i've not seen any other team doing this but its a big help to our goal line defence.

First of all this is not a ‘we was beat by the ref’ post as we weren’t – we were beaten by an outstanding, well coached, well disciplined Wire outfit, but… Child is a fu*king joke – well out of his depth.

Seriously! If this joker is the standard of professional referees breaking through then God help our sport. He even makes the French idiot look reasonable.

Coming from a fan of a team that contains spit the dummy out Graham it's

I'm afraid not. In such a mêlée on the line Wire defence is bound to stand firm in case of a 'play-on' call. The tackle looked complete but on the spot who knows? Hodgson and others at that point are entitled to block Smith who clearly moved forward off the mark ( he was over the try line! ) and was shoving Hodgson away when the ball came loose in the struggle. No way was that a simple 'strip'.

I have seen Leeds do the same thing this year as well. I think Cullen mentioned it on boots n all as well on the same show. Not something I have seen us do regulary but it generally seems to be mcshane at marker from memory when we do it

Some would call it 'luck' or getting robbed. I would call it the fact you had coaches like Cullen and Lowes and then got Tony Smith. Thats when your luck turned imo.

The key thing to note from the referee standpoint last night, was the penalty he gave against JJB which made it 20-6 to Warrington, we never recovered psychologically from that imo.

I thought he murdered you last night. Was looking forward to a good game last night and was spoiled by a terrible official.

There were Warrington hand(s) tugging at the ball and, as Smith pulled it back, the ball spun out from his grasp.
Not a "simple strip", true ... but a strip nonetheless.

That's the way I saw it on the replay.

As with many others on the boards today, I'm not blaming Childs for Leeds losing but I do think he made a bad performance look even worse.
It's a long time since I've been so frustrated with a ref's decisions that he did make and others that he didn't.

Grapes,sour. He gave your try which looked like a knock on,or have you forgotten that? Child didn't score 42 points mate,your lot were outclassed and you have to accept that!

Surely is should of been a penalty too Wire, because Smith moved off the mark as someone has said he ended up over the try line.

And the try Leeds scored was a knock on

But you've missed out the fact that Smith by that time had taken 2 steps forward and was well off the mark. Had he managed to play the ball he was well over the Wire tryline.

You have exaggerated massively here, Smith was in the process of taking one step forward (and it was a step that was part of him getting up) whilst Hodgson had his hands all over the ball. Smith could easily have played the ball where his standing foot was (behind the line) rather than where his striding foot was(in front of the line). However it should never, and could never have got that far. As soon as Hodgson kept his hands on the ball after the call of held its a penalty for interference, for him to then compound that offence by stripping the ball after Smith had stood up was a penalty for interference or for stripping the ball, take your pick.

That decision, and the decision to punish JJB having been hit with a high tackle and with Morley's arm around his neck was frankly an embarrassing decision. It was very very poor refereering.

The question I would ask is what James Child has done to deserve such a game. What did Stuart Cummins see recently that meant he though Child had earned the opportunity refereeing a game at the top of SL when he has struggled so embarrassingly previously. Sticking with Child when he is so clearly out of his depth isnt good for the game, and isnt good for Child.