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.....Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Singleton now play in the back row ? Ellis, I believe, in 2013 will have had his best days behind a long way behind him.

As for Amor...I [uknow[/u he is a prop, but my reference to him and Ellis [iwas[/i more an expanded contribution to the theme of the thread's title. The only reason Amor is at Wakefield is to make room for the commanding superior Kirke

of course. Next Season I would assume Amor will be back and Kirke gone....but then that might be wishful thinking.

Amor showed an improvement in the last quarter of last season, not before. He showed he could stand out amongst a very poor bunch of players. He needs to show something above that to prove he could handle it amongst very good players. He was released in 2012. I would guess then, tha the coaching team looked at him from last season, looked at him at preseason, then thought we have better currently within our squad. He will have to go some, to change that view.

Singleton is mile better than him now, and he's down the que. By the end of this season we will have others banging on the door for that chance. I just can't see the lad coming back, unless he does something really special this year.

And Nantwich, I agree entirely with you on Kirke.

IF Webb is leaving and BJB moving to fullback, then we're left with, for two spots in the team: 1 word-class winger, 1 utility player covering injuries to the entire back 5 and 1 untried kid. I'd say wing would a priority area for recruitment in that situation.

Just throwing it out there but what about Hardaker on the wing, if he doesnt kick on from last year assuming BJB moves to full back when webb leaves and we sign a centre preferably Jack Reed!

I might have missed something but haven't Leeds been quite unwilling to release Amor?

They've loaned him out but always brought him back. Even this latest loan deal allows Leeds the option to recall him for next year.

It would have been easy for Leeds to release him but they appear, for reasons which seem quite sensible to me, to want to retain his rights for as long as possible.

Like I say, unless I've missed something.

I think in that scenario I'd rather have Hardaker at FB. Assuming that the handling skills that lead natntwich to think he'll play at 6 are actually there, he'd be a very good FB in the mould of Webb, which would fit us very nicely. I'm sure the club have a long term plan for him though

I simply believe he has the ability and the confidence to develop those skills to become a top class SO (not necessarily right now) mirroring the career of one Garry Schofield. However, I do believe FB or indeed centre will suit him long term just as well (but not winger).

It all depends of course on what talent might arise or become available in the coming next few years. Indeed if nothing else Stevie Ward appears to be quite a talent that might yet claim the long term SO position.....all very exciting stuff.

Leeds seem to be progressing nicely at the moment after conversely apparently beginning an ominous slide (in a very debilitating manner) this time just one year ago.

I agree. I know Kylie is retiring and a few of our other key forwards are getting on but we have some great younger players coming through. If we sign Ellis that will give us another world class forward. If Gary H is after signing a quality back as well I think the logic is correct. I would prefer David Williams on the wing rather than Lee Smith who also might well have moved on.

If BJB is the full back I'd prefer Chisolm on the wing to see if can develop another BJB or even better, another Hall, the "WBW".

I also would want to see Chisolm ,Smith ,Bjb and possibly Watson fighting out for the RW/FB slots.
Smith looked sharper pre-season and was unlucky to get injured and IF he recovers he deserves to be at least considered imo.

Agreed, don't see the need to sign a winger

I disagree. If there is the opportunity to improve what we have got we should take it.

I totally agree and thankfully that is also Gary H's vision. Promote and develop good young players and supplement these with a few top quality overseas signings. There was the same negative opinion from some supporters when Danny Buderus was signed which turned to moans of dispair when he went back to Newcastle. Hopefully Hood in time, will fill the gap. Scotty Donald's signing was criticised by some but he turned out to become a top player scoring loads of trys.

What about Briscoe

Isn't Biscoe a centre?

I appear to have invented a player! I did in fact mean Briscoe

Stand off or fullback according to the ever reliable wikipedia, so make of that what you will.

And second row on the Leeds site

If it means improve as a short term fix then i disagree the young lads who show potential should get first crack at the spot imo unless we get a top notch 22yr old who stays for 5yrs+

I would say that improving in the short term, with a detriment to the long term is not improvement

We agree then

Luke briscoe is a stand off.

I personally don't think that signing Williams does improve what we have at the moment.

Any update on these rumours? Whether it's wishful thinking but on the HULL FC site they seem to think Ellis is going there. I read that David Howes says a decision will be made between Leeds and Hull before the end of this month. It's been quite on Williams although he's out of contract after this season and Manly will have to loose some players.

Don't think his agent has said its between Leeds and hull, he said he has had offers from all super league teams and they are looking at the firm offers. As far as I can see its just speculation it's between Leeds and hull with hudds lurking.

Personally think Leeds will be the location for Ellis. As for Williams hope he is NOT coming to Leeds. We do not need him and for me would be a waste