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| Quote ="batleyrhino"My only issue with Ryan Bailey is that he isn't as tough as his dad. He is, however, much better than most people give him credit for.'"
If only you knew.
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| Quote ="Les75Jean"If only you knew.'"
Which part?
The bit about him being as tough as his dad?
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| Quote ="rhinoms"All you've shown is that bailey made just under half the meter's graham made with 51 less carries,he made more clean breaks than graham,less errors and 31 less tackles.
Bailey conceded more penalties than graham but none of them cost us the match.
So going by that his stats aren't as bad as you've tried to make out especially the meter's per carry.'"
As Gareth said, not only are the stats often poop, but more importanly Graham is a prop who is on for long periods.
Bailey is on for spells, and in two of those games he played spells in the second row, not prop. Therefore its not like for like anyway.
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| Quote ="G1"Someone should also point out that TVOC has conclusively proved Opta stats as totally unreliable.
Therefore we're not accepting them as evidence around here of anything any more.
We'll have to base our assessment of Bailey vs the Saints props on a more subjective basis. Like how they perform against each other in Grand Finals and the like.
I'd point this out directly but I am ignoring the fekkwitt troll.'"
Hear, hear.
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| Quote ="DISA"As Gareth said, not only are the stats often poop, but more importanly Graham is a prop who is on for long periods.
Bailey is on for spells, and in two of those games he played spells in the second row, not prop. Therefore its not like for like anyway.'"
Agreed. People seem to think that Opta stats are the bee all and end all of performance appraisal. Now TVOC has proved them inaccurate, and I have always said that when comparing forwards time spent on the pitch isn't measured, or at least made available for free. If baileys smaller meters and number of tackles are made in half the pitch time then it makes a big difference.
Also, Bailey is probably our 3rd best prop, behind Peacock and leuluai. Comparing him to Graham is stupid. The comparison with Hargreaves is a better one IMO.
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| I've proved nothing by the way.
I've pointed out some glaring inaccuracies and queried the application of uniform standards when assessing a contribution.
People who regurgitate their findings as proof positive might be merely fooling themselves but in the absence of anything more reliable will continue to do so.
Me included as this thread ably demonstrates.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"i have moaned about him the past but tonight bailey was magnificent. his hit on maurie was legal.unlike the posturing ginner who was hard when 3rd man in bailey led from the front
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I agree with Eddie, these ref's mikes really are an enhancement to the game .... Bailey to Graham [i"F*&% O$@ You Fat C&*t"[/i
Lip reading ... Who needs it ?
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"I agree with Eddie, these ref's mikes really are an enhancement to the game .... Bailey to Graham [i"F*&% O$@ You Fat C&*t"[/i
Lip reading ... Who needs it ?'"
Disgrace to the sport imo, dirty player, dirty mouth.
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| yeah yeah toddle off it's bedtime.
stop trying to wind up the big misters and look forward to the day you actually win a game
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Disgrace to the sport imo, dirty player, dirty mouth.'"
Shut up moaning!!!
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"I agree with Eddie, these ref's mikes really are an enhancement to the game .... Bailey to Graham [i"F*&% O$@ You Fat C&*t"[/i
Lip reading ... Who needs it ?'"
It would a darned sight better if Stevo and Eddy stopped talking over it.
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| James Graham had it in for Bailey. Came onto the pitch and had to be calmed down before he even started playing. His tackle on Bailey was pathetic of the highest order. Whose the third one going in now eh?
LYON4JAIL!
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Disgrace to the sport imo, dirty player, dirty mouth.'"
Diddums! Jog on you soft 2@!
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| Quote ="ryano"Diddums! Jog on you soft 2@!'"
My days, you really need to learn how to take losing. You wouldn't have been this aggravated if you'd lost to Saints before you're little taste of silverware.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"yeah yeah toddle off it's bedtime.
stop trying to wind up the big misters and look forward to the day you actually win a game'"
I will be looking forward to that. Although I can't see it being in the near future, I still have the satisfaction of knowing my team has had more glory than yours ever will.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I will be looking forward to that. Although I can't see it being in the near future, I still have the satisfaction of knowing my team has had more glory than yours ever will.'"
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"'"
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| he's a case isn't he. got me chuckling in my horlicks
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I will be looking forward to that. Although I can't see it being in the near future, I still have the satisfaction of knowing my team has had more glory than yours ever will.'"
Can you remind me about the 1963 season and what Bradford did then ?
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| Brilliant stints by Bailey. Some great tackling, got under their skins, and made a nuisance of himslef.
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"Can you remind me about the 1963 season and what Bradford did then ?'"
As a Leeds fan I don't think you should be one to pick up the past . As to us winning a game, what about Leeds' 2000 season, you had a terrible start yet finished 4th.
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| you really think,with some of the rubbish you have, that you can finish fourth?
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| Quote ="tad rhino"you really think,with some of the rubbish you have, that you can finish fourth?'"
No I didn't say that, I just don't think we'll finish second from bottom.
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