I'd agree with all of this bar your comments about Burrow who I thought was excellent, again.

As for the Buderus hero worship he was indeed excellent and we may well see the best of him playing 80 mins a week, assuming he remains fit all season long. However, we're two games in to the season so let's not get too carried away.

It wasn't Diskin or Buderus's fault that the club wanted to go to a 2 hooker system. We had been hugely successful with Diskin (who looked pretty handy last week) and I hope we are as successful with Buderus. He only has 4 championships to get there...

And disco moved on to seek rep honours he only has 24 caps to go to get near bedsy, not to mention 21 origin caps? Let's see where disco is at when he has another 55 first grade and rep games under is belt like DB.

big chomp

Yep, but it's all true

Be careful judging players on Championship medals, doesn't Ian Kirke have more Championship medals than Lewis Jones for example?

Obviously watching it on the TV it was easy to see but it was pure genius and watching the replays it looked like Sinfield was always fully in control of what he was doing and so eliminating that risk. Quality play and I jope it continues.

I don't care about Australia, NSW or Necastle. I care about Leeds RLFC, England or GB RL.

I hope Diskin achieves his goals. I admire him for what he did for my club. That admiration is not diminished because I get misty eyed over the achievements of an Aussie for some other club in some other country. I have greater moral fibre than that.

HTH

Who has done that?

I simply said I hope we're as succesful with Buderus as we were with Diskin. Don't you share that hope? Or is it all about getting misty-eyed and wet pantied whilst watching Buderus for you as well, rather than what the team is doing?

I am not getting misty eyed nor wet pantied about Buderus, but your previous statement "only 4 championships to get there" clearly refers to you rating Diskin above Buderus because of his achievements in a Leeds shirt.

Are Ian Kirke's 3 GF winners rings a greater achievement than Lewis Jones single win in 1960-61? Does that mean that you admire Kirke more than Jones?

How many rings has Ian Kirke got? being in a successful side doesn't always make you a top player.

Diskin has a long way to go before he ever achieves anything close to what Buderus has in his career.

Disco will always be a Leeds legend. I respect him for moving on too. I just like to view the game as a whole when viewing players abilities. I've always been a massive nrl fan since you could get the vids in barkers. maybe I have more of an interest as that "some other country" is now my home? But then again as I said Ive always looked at the game as a whole.

the moral fibre line is a belter though mate

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Can you read?

Let me help. Here's what I said.



That isn't about rating players etc. It's simply stating a fact. I want Leeds to be as successful with Buderus as we were with Diskin. Therefore, Buderus will need to win 4 championships, nes pas?

I know how Leeds fans are passionately in love with Aussie legend Buderus but you don't have to spring to your hero's defence when I haven't even attacked him.

1. Buderus - dominated the ruck area, strong defence and got the whole pack going forward plus his own runs from the PTB and classy pass for the Hauraki try

2. Burrow - always an attacking threat to Hull who didn't know if he was going to run at them, pass or kick.

3. = Burgess, Kylie, Delaney, BJB & Sinfield

Closely follwed by the rest in a very good team performance considering the injuries.

Like Batley you should re-read what I put and think again before you leap to your hero's defence needlessly.

Not in this country or at MY club he hasn't.

Harsh but probabley fair

He was excellent, it was like watching a young Diskin.

Gareth your defense of Diskin is admirable but misguided in my view - Diskin was instrumental in the win in 2004 but lucky to be in a great side in 2007/8/9 when he was a pale shadow of the player he was in 2004. Would we have won in 2004 without Diskin doubtful - would we have won 07-09 definitely

To compare his qualities to that of one the finest players in that position in the SL/NRL era is weak at best.

Yes I can read thanks. I can also remember reading plenty of posts from you over the last two years where you were very clear (as above also) that until Buderus had matched Diskin's medal achievements for Leeds you would consider his contribution to be less than that of your Dewsbury based hero.

You also pointed out on a number of occasions that Leeds won 4 championships with Diskin in the squad, which should (rightly to some extent) give him "Legend" status. Buderus hasn't been (and I suspect won't be) with Leeds for long enough to reach 4 championships so your point above is a little "pointless" I would say.

The reason I raised the issue of Kirke and Jones is to highlight how simplistic your point has been, especially given your ridicule of Kirke on countless occasions.

We were lucky to have Diskin in 09 when Buderus went down with a broken leg and Diskin got to play the lions share each game we didn't lose another game. Diskin had a fine game in the 09 final. Diskin played a full role in all of our wins and it's what get my goat the most about our fans that they would be so dismissive of his achievements and yet hero worship someone who has achieved nothing of note with us yet.


I've stated above I have no interest in the NRL. To describe Buderus, after roughly 50 games, as one of the finest players in SL is worse than weak. It's hero worship at it's worst. Besides, I repeat, I did not compare Diskin and Buderus qualities. I, again, invite you to re-read what I wrote.

Good.

So having employed your reading skills you decided to respond to a point I wasn't making in this thread but to a point you recall me making in many previous threads. I see. Perhaps reading isn't the issue. Comprehension?

I'd have thought that would be fairly obvious. This isn't tennis you know. We're not paying to watch Buderus skills. We're paying to watch Leeds RLFC. Until or unless Buderus has contributed as much as Diskin then it's not rocket science to say he hasn't contributed as much as Diskin. DD'urgh! That is NOT comparing individual player's abilities.
This is his third season. I believe he is contracted for next year as well. OK, I'll scale it back a bit. He could help us get 25% of the amount of titles Diskin has and I'll start to worship him as much as everyone else.
Which point? The point I was actually making in this thread or the point from previous historical posts I apparently made you now say you were answering? Have you and Gotcha swapped login details because he's making a lot of sense recently and you seem to be arguing with shadows (no offence Gotcha).

Oo great - another thread that has descended into a Buderus vs Diskin ing contest.

Haven’t we gone through this many MANY times before?

Not this week. I think G1 has been away.

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Hasn't Buderus already got one SL winners ring for the 2009 season? The Grand Final is the culmination of a season long effort, which both Diskin and Buderus contributed to. While Buderus obviously didn't appear in the play-offs or Grand Final he was still instrumental in the season long team effort to get there.

Last week and last night Buderus has finally been allowed to show his true worth. A classic case of 'mis-management' from those in charge of team recruitment and selection at Headingley. If they wanted to run a two hooker system at Leeds they signed the wrong one in Buderus. Even two year olds eventually realise you can't put a square peg in a round hole no matter what you hit it with.

Think I'll email Sky and ask them if Stevo and Wiggy could cut back on the fulsome praise of Buderus and Delaney, as it's simply providing opportunities for cruel taunting of those who are a little bit slow in appreciating what an individual can contribute to a 17 man squad......

Keep wriggling this is funny.



To quote Blackadder "you twist and turn like a twisty turny thing..."

Oh and I'm sure Gotcha will be over the moon about your damning of him with faint praise.

Is this the same Gotcha who believes the RFL bailed-out Crusaders of North Wales (LOL) bring so much to the SL table due to the possibility of a film being made about Gareth Thomas negatively depicting RL supporters as boorish homophobes, which will then be utilised by insightful RL marketing people at all clubs in order to generate new support?

I prefer "This Sporting Life" and the backdrop of a proper foundation club as a commentary on RL.