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| Quote ="Clearwing"The general idea is that the HIA procedure is precautionary. Plenty of players are taken off "unnecessarily". There was plenty signs that Fusitu'a was concussed. Unfortunately Agar's greatest concern seemed to be why someone would pass to him rather than asking why he was on the field at all.'"
Think we need to get out of the blame culture. We lose a tight game. Our squad can’t cope with key injuries and that’s why we’re all a bit frustrated. Blaming our Medical Team/ Doctor isn’t going to achieve anything. Think we just need to hope for some better luck after first 3 games where I think we’ll struggle to register any points…..
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Appealing after he pleaded guilty too lol. Yep he got increased to 2 games.'"
Bentley got what he deserved but the system needs reformed. Holmes didnt deserve 2 matches if Connor only got a 1 game ban. It does feel like the tribunal system is not fit for purpose.
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| Quote ="Shabino"Think we need to get out of the blame culture. We lose a tight game. Our squad can’t cope with key injuries and that’s why we’re all a bit frustrated. Blaming our Medical Team/ Doctor isn’t going to achieve anything. Think we just need to hope for some better luck after first 3 games where I think we’ll struggle to register any points…..'"
Dont agree with that, our medical team got it wrong and it needs addressed, everbody else could see he wasnt right, they should be seeing it aswel. Nothing to do with losing a tight result.
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"Dont agree with that, our medical team got it wrong and it needs addressed, everbody else could see he wasnt right, they should be seeing it aswel. Nothing to do with losing a tight result.'"
Sack em? Tell them they don’t know their job ? Who’s gonna tell them (who knows better than them) and how will that go down?
Let’s think realistically about this……
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"So the message from the disciplinary panel is: our decisions are final and don't bother appealing. In effect there isn't an appeals system.
Fine, so long as we know that.
I've said it before but the system needs an overhaul IMO. Looking at the incidents, 10 mins sin bin was sufficient for Dwyer (10 mins in a tight game can easily cost you the result). I'd say 2-3 games for Bentley, it was reckless. Maybe they're setting the stall out early in the season to put a marker down and try to prevent more incidents.
It is what it is, we just about have the squad depth to cope at this stage.'"
Agree with most of that, I think a part of the argument from Leeds will have been that they lowered Currie's charge on the basis that Fusitua was dipping when hit and he's served no punishment at all, so why the double standard with Bentley? Widdop was certainly dipping. If that was their argument then it's certainly not frivolous to ask the disciplinary panel to apply the same standards to two headshots in the same game.
As it stands Bentley has essentially received a 5 game ban for a fairly run of the mill head shot and Leeds having the temerity to ask why.
Not a fan of bans being increased on appeal, it's a club decision and I don't understand the logic of making the player suffer. Increase the fines by all means, perhaps have club based disciplinary points that can be applied to appeals deemed frivolous and deduct competition points if they do too many...whatever, but I'm sure in Leeds mind this wasn't a frivolous appeal, they weren't just asking for the sake of asking, so why decide the offence was worse today than it was yesterday?
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| It feels like the tribunal are prepared to run a mile with the small bit of power they have been given.
As others have pointed out, the whole appeal system is ridiculous. Why not give a club 5 appeals per season. If they are unsuccessful, they lose that appeal (bit like a captains challenge). Upgrading bans can impact a season if it's a significant enough player. It's also ridiculously frustrating as a fan, and does not promote transparency for coaches/clubs.
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| Panel isn’t fit for purpose and ruining the sport. I said this last season after the way they dealt with Tet. Got shot down on here for it……
Criminals get fairer trials than the players….!
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| Quote ="Shabino"Sack em? Tell them they don’t know their job ? Who’s gonna tell them (who knows better than them) and how will that go down?
Let’s think realistically about this……'"
Leeds can get fined or worse if they haven't followed proper protocols so yes I would say this is a very serious matter. It looks like you don't.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Leeds can get fined or worse if they haven't followed proper protocols so yes I would say this is a very serious matter. It looks like you don't.'"
Just enlighten me which ‘proper protocols ‘ have not been followed here. People on here seem to know much more than the highly trained team who assessed the player at the time……
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| Quote ="Shabino"Panel isn’t fit for purpose and ruining the sport. I said this last season after the way they dealt with Tet. Got shot down on here for it……
Criminals get fairer trials than the players….!'"
You made this ludicrous assertion and were laughed at principally because for some reason you thought Tetevano's late, off the ball assault to the head was somehow not worthy of either a red card or a ban.
Don't say silly things and you won't get shot down for saying silly things.
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| Quote ="Shabino"Just enlighten me which ‘proper protocols ‘ have not been followed here. People on here seem to know much more than the highly trained team who assessed the player at the time……'"
A major part of the protocols is that the player saying "yeah I'm fine, no worries" is no longer acceptable if he's received a heavy blow like Fusitu'a.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"A major part of the protocols is that the player saying "yeah I'm fine, no worries" is no longer acceptable if he's received a heavy blow like Fusitu'a.'"
Think you have be multiple areas of expertise. Referee, panel expert, club Doctor, have I missed any?
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| I've just read Heatheringtons comments in the YEP on the incident. They took advice from a former referee, submitted video and photograph evidence of the claim, and it was still ruled frivolous. That's crazy to me, even if the approach is wrong, it's not frivolous by definition!
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| Quote ="Shabino"Sack em? Tell them they don’t know their job ? Who’s gonna tell them (who knows better than them) and how will that go down?
Let’s think realistically about this……'"
Who said sack them? We need to address it, find out why they didnt spot what was so obvious to the average fan.
I knew he wasnt right, turns out i was right, if i knew, and most fans on this board knew, our medical team should 100% knew, thats there job...Im actually quite amazed at how carefree your attitude is towards this and player welfare in general.
Fusitua's lucky he dropped the ball straight after because he was in no condition to be reciving another heavy impact.
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Quote ="Trebor1"The NRL went through similar issues early last season. Players getting binned then banned left right and centre. It then settled down as the season went on. We need to box much more cleverly early doors to avoid bans but I do agree it’s madness. It’s also robbing the sport of its stars who are sat on the sidelines for weeks'"
It will settle down the week before the Grand Final when anything that usually results in a ban is forgiven
https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/discipli ... nal-43875/
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It will settle down the week before the Grand Final when anything that usually results in a ban is forgiven
https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/discipli ... nal-43875/
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"Who said sack them? We need to address it, find out why they didnt spot what was so obvious to the average fan.
I knew he wasnt right, turns out i was right, if i knew, and most fans on this board knew, our medical team should 100% knew, thats there job...Im actually quite amazed at how carefree your attitude is towards this and player welfare in general.
Fusitua's lucky he dropped the ball straight after because he was in no condition to be reciving another heavy impact.'"
It was obvious he was wobbly on his feet,a sure sign all is not right and he should of been off there and then.
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"Who said sack them? We need to address it, find out why they didnt spot what was so obvious to the average fan.
I knew he wasnt right, turns out i was right, if i knew, and most fans on this board knew, our medical team should 100% knew, thats there job...Im actually quite amazed at how carefree your attitude is towards this and player welfare in general.
Fusitua's lucky he dropped the ball straight after because he was in no condition to be reciving another heavy impact.'"
The lad was assessed and decision made to see how he went. If that was wrong and dangerous then I guess an internal investigation needs to happen. Has anyone at the club raised a concern?
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| Quote ="Shabino"The lad was assessed and decision made to see how he went. If that was wrong and dangerous then I guess an internal investigation needs to happen. Has anyone at the club raised a concern?'"
Yes Agar specifically said he would be looking into it.
It was immediately obvious that they hadn't done a full assessment. It was right in front of us, they didn't do the stuff they'd normally do - we commented on it right away. I'd want a really serious internal investigation because I imagine there's a high chance of external sanctions following.
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| Quote ="Shabino"The lad was assessed and decision made to see how he went. If that was wrong and dangerous then I guess an internal investigation needs to happen. Has anyone at the club raised a concern?'"
Agar said he'l be looking into it.
The wrong decision was made, theres errors of judgement in any walk of life or any profession, i understand that, but this was so blatantly obvious that he wasnt right, its really poor from our medical team to miss it.
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"Agar said he'l be looking into it.
The wrong decision was made, theres errors of judgement in any walk of life or any profession, i understand that, but this was so blatantly obvious that he wasnt right, its really poor from our medical team to miss it.'"
Didn’t realise it was that obvious as I wasn’t at the game. If was true medical negligence then definitely needs a very serious investigation. I find it bizarre though how a team of highly trained professionals would fail to spot this, especially with the raised awareness of head injuries….?
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| Quote ="Shabino"Didn’t realise it was that obvious as I wasn’t at the game. If was true medical negligence then definitely needs a very serious investigation. I find it bizarre though how a team of highly trained professionals would fail to spot this, especially with the raised awareness of head injuries….?'"
You have seen the incident and the state fusitua was in after it though havnt you?
It certainly is bizarre, but it happened.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"No.
On another issue and probably a more important point. How the hell did Leeds' medical staff and coaches deem it ok for Fusitua to play on for around 20 minutes when everyone in the stadium could see he had concussion like symptons? He was doubling up, behind play, looked unstable and couldnt hold the ball. It was clear he wasnt right yet they let him stay out there.
In times where we talk about player welfare Leeds need to fully investigate how that happened and ensure it never happens again. Players safety and well being should be the priority above everything.
Leeds should know much better after Rob and Stevie Ward. The medical staff are there to save the players from themselves. Disgusting.'"
My wife (with limited rugby knowledge) kept pointing out he was looking very wobbly and was amazed he was still on (we were in the NS). How the medical staff didn't see is beyond me
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| All players will say they are ok to continue thats their nature. Too brave for there own good sometimes. It was so obvious to anyone that Fusitua was in distress and was having some issues.
The last thing the sport needs is more Stevie Ward like injuries.
Player safety is absolutely vital and paramount.
I mentioned the medical and physio staff but would also like to point out i think the coaches shouldve had the foresight to see he wasnt right.
The game cant risk allowing players with head injuries to try and run it off. He clearly should have been assessed off the pitch.
I find it concerning he played so long after the incident with the nature of the injury and how obvious it was to everyone.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"All players will say they are ok to continue thats their nature. Too brave for there own good sometimes. It was so obvious to anyone that Fusitua was in distress and was having some issues.
The last thing the sport needs is more Stevie Ward like injuries.
Player safety is absolutely vital and paramount.
I mentioned the medical and physio staff but would also like to point out i think the coaches shouldve had the foresight to see he wasnt right.
The game cant risk allowing players with head injuries to try and run it off. He clearly should have been assessed off the pitch.
I find it concerning he played so long after the incident with the nature of the injury and how obvious it was to everyone.'"
Exactly,it has been said that the initial concussion isn't the problem,it's any impact after the first than can cause the issues the game is tying to avoid.
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"You have seen the incident and the state fusitua was in after it though havnt you?
It certainly is bizarre, but it happened.'"
We were right behind it. He was clearly KO'd then came round quickly thankfully. Club medical team dropped a clanger here no doubt about it (Agar has asked for an investigation from the medial team as to why he was allowed to play on). You could see he was all over the place.
Hopefully lessons learned and Fusi is ok.
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