Silverwood was appalling. Was never a sending off. Games getting soft.

Seem to remember there was an incident last year when the VR was used in the similar circumstance and a red card shown and also a game this year when a player was left on the deck clearly hurt by something. In that case it was a genuine accident and no blame attached to an opposition player.

But I agree about would like to see it more. It seems they only do it if the player stays on the ground injured, had Aiton said down then perhaps he'd look at the Soliola incident again (or maybe not). This was the same ref from the 2012 GF who didn't ask the VR's opinion when Sinfield was sparked out by Monaghan head when hit after the kick.

So, you're quite happy with the rules being applied literally for the shoulder charge (and I don't disagree with you on that) but suddenly for another incident, there should be some form of mitigation? Priceless.

Why the veiled criticism? According to those in the know, losing a third rate Aussie play maker is enough of a reason to bemoan your lack of attacking edge these days, let alone two of the best half backs to come out of these shores in a generation. I'd like to see any other side in the league step out with a nineteen year old stand off and play so well.

What is the relevance of McDermott's comments when he was in Wenger land? If he didn't see it, he can only speculate, which he did and qualified his statement as such. I'm not his biggest fan but you seem to have an obsession.

As for Hardaker, if you think that was lethargic, I can only speculate that you mainline speed. I think what you are confused by the role he was playing and the role he normally plays.

I have no problem with the Red Card or how they got to that decision what I do question is consistency replays showed a number of bad calls yet nowt from the VR booth?
I don't buy the "foul play or where injury has occurred" excuse either a p!$$ poor call is the same irrespective of incident.
Also how was Soliola not sin binned?
We saw in the GF Westwood smash Greens cheek in =On Report! Same Ref as well so why not Red?
The Officials are not regulated or brought to task for poor performances its very much a "we watch our own backs" set up which is ridiculous if we want to strive for improvement sport wide!

I've not watched the game back yet but does anyone else think that Baileys effort at the try line was worth a second look?

At the match it looked as if Bails may have just got the ball on the line.

It wasn't a try.

Nah he was short mate!

Ok mate, he just look like he got pretty close from where we were stood.

Close but no cigar!

Why did you lot boo off Percival as he left the field with concussion.

Nor should it be, IMO. If the tackle is complete, the tacklers should stop dragging him. If he can be dragged, he can get rid of the ball for me.

There was no malice in the Moon challenge, but the rules are clear and they say red card.

I couldn't decide whether Soliola was committed. Probably could have pulled out, but tough one for the ref.

Think you are getting mixed up with booing and mooning .

The game changer sending off apart was the ridiculous penalty given away by Briscoe

A shoulder charge to the head is a red card. You can't have any complaints at all about that. Ref was spot on. Even your coach knew he was off as before he'd even got the card out he shot down to the bench to sort the team out.

Anyway, I think you played a lot better after that and you looked well up for it. We also had to then play a prop forward at centre which you only took real advantage of once for your try.

As for holding down etc, I thought we just managed the ruck to how the ref wanted it played. Silverwood doesn't like a quick ruck and we played to that.

No - It's on Vine and all the South Stand can quite clearly be seen to say "Boo" and not "Moon".

I've watched the video of this several times and being an armchair lip-reading expert, it is obvious that Hardaker quite clearly boos when Percival gets sent off, then shows his arris and calls him a f**king sausage jockey.

Well i was mooning not booing although those around me were not impressed

Having only seen the last 30mins of the game I thought it was a spirited performance from Leeds with 12 men - showed the sort of spirit and attitude which should, hopefully, set us up nicely for the playoffs.

As for not taking advantage of LMS playing centre...we were missing a centre ourselves

Fair assessment. Felt we ran out of gas a little in the closing stages but pleased with the application we showed. Thought Silverwood's control of the ruck was fairly poor throughout but even then I'm not sure that a quick ptb would have favoured a 12 man Leeds side with no Burrow.
In fairness to Silverwood, a fair bit of ball was lost by both sides which always results in a high number of 50/50 calls. This tends to compound the odd, genuine howler by the ref, regardless of who it is.

==roundpeg21=Briscoe is a master of making ground after the tackle but for once the ref pulled him up even the leeds appreciation society on the gantry agreed with that decision.

==roundpeg21==good job Phil Clarke puts his two penneth in as the other two Muppets can only see one team if Eddie mentioned Leeds 12 men once he mentioned it throughout the game. Leeds were the best side but it was ST H that pinched it something leeds are noted for.

People need to realise that making contact with the shoulder is not necessarily a shoulder charge. Every great tackle should make first contact with the shoulder. Last night's tackle was not a shoulder charge.

Moon made contact with the head of Percival which was a clear penalty (missed by Silverwood), and probably a red card though a fairly harsh one.

Compared to Cas he's a fecking novice!

I also cannot understand the classification of Moons challenge as a shoulder charge, it was nothing of the sort.

It was contact with the head, and a red card is effectively a subjective call based on whether you believe it was intentional or accidental. On that basis it does seem harsh to be a straight red and not yet another and much more frequently seen on report incident.

Silverwood was at least consistent in his PTB rulings last night; horribly slow, which has been a feature of his refereeing this season.

The difference in penalty counts in each half is an interesting observation, 13 penalties 1st half and 2 2nd half. Did Silverwood receive assessor instructions to referee differently after half time? It certainly worked against Leeds who would have welcomed opportunities to take the 2 second half.

Dorn must have done that 10 times at Wembley.

On every occasion he was told to get up and play the ball. instead of being penalised in possession.