The most frustrating thing is, that under the current coaching regime, we simply don't seem to appreciate that everything in the modern game stems from controlling the collision either in attack or defence. When we defend, we almost always lose the collision due to poor technique (remember Smith's praying technique for lining up the attacker, where did this go?) and structure within defence, with people having no confidence in those defending inside them and therefore we are pulled apart far too easily. Delaney is frequently a good example of this.

When we lose the collision in defence, it's easy for the opposition to gain penalties due to our inability to get either square at marker or onside. Tonight we saw a great example of this when the Bulls ran 4 consecutive tackles at Peacock meaning he eventually was unable to get square at marker and got pinged for a 2 pointer.

When we have the ball, again we lose the collision meaning no quick ptb, and the service from DH isn't as quick or sharp as it could be (we have one of the best DH passers in the game, yet how any times has he had passes intercepted this year as a result of a painfully slow ptb?). When you get slow service from DH then everything else is under much greater time pressure, which leads to either mistakes with the ball (how many of these have we seen this season?) or poor metres gained on the next play.

Pluto and Goofy, as I will now refer to our coaching team, either cannot see this, or are incapable of coaching the most simple basic elements of the game, and as a result must be relieved of their positions now, even if it means we get someone else in as a caretaker for the rest of the year so we can really plan for the next few years.

Except for that crunch moment, again, he was.

That must be the highest rating the formerly mighty Bulls have had all season

i suppose just bacause you like someone, doesn't mean their good at their job, you can be a sound bloke, but a crap coach, we are in transition now theres no doubt about that now imo, but we should still be performing better than we are, i agree i was fuming when webb kicked on the first tackle, had we had hardaker in we may have scored but we will never know. Mc is unabe to get any form of consistansy from the team, and that isn't helped by his poor team selections, and lack of a game plan, he's not a big enough personality for our club, take TS he comes across a little reserved, but he has the full respect of his players, and bluey he wears his heart on his sleeve but as a motivator there isn't many better.

Can anyone give me any reason, any reason at all, why Goofy and Pluto should be coaching this great club of ours? No, didn't think so...

And the grammatical error is not mine, I hasten to add.

yeah that can be the only reason, the cheap option

I've made my feelings on Diskin pretty clear. Buderus, though was in no way responsible for our defeat tonight

Why bring Diskin into it?

Is it not a valid comment that, not for the first time, our most experienced player has ended our hopes in a game with an error?

It's not a debate.

It's an agenda.

No. We had another full set coming up until Huaraki (or possibly Bailey) committed the first high tackle



You spend half your life comparing the two! I was merely stating I have no favouritism towards Buderus - I think Diskin deserves a huge amount of credit for the way he handled himself over the whole affair. No one should forget his contribution to our golden era and it would appear many already have.

A dire performance.
While the players must share some of the blame the coaching staff are the main reason for the shambles we have been watching most of the season. I have felt all season that the talk of a more expansive style of Rugby is nothing more than a myth. The conditions in recent weeks have been poor but we have played one out no risk Rugby in most games this year. Compare this to the exciting offloading style we played under TS. I hope McDermott can turn things round but concerns held by many when he was appointed appear to be more justified by the week.

We had 5 players back up from the exiles, to play hull kr, then crusaders last week, JP, bedsy, sinny, hall, Kylie, he rested abbo

he then this week rests hardaker like you say is a winger and doesnt look fatigued in the slightest! i like smith hes a tough player, but we have better options on the wing in watkins ( when fit) bish, and hardaker. we had options in the forwards, then we release biff and cross, so now we dont have many options there, and we now have options in the backs in ZH and BJB decides to to use them, both players have the ability to change defense in to attack, and both are athletic. i agree about bedsy play for mc or bennett tough choice that one

The one year contract extension suggests they did want to keep him for at least another year. He clearly had other ideas once he'd cashed in on his testimonial. Once a mercenary, always a mercenary.



They were booing an opposition player.

Big deal? Not really.

i respect disko for his service to the club, he did well for us but tbh i wasnt to bothered that he went as i feel he was one of the players who best days are behind him, i clapped him tonight, but some fans feel he jumped ship, and you can kind of see why they think that, he was very unhappy when buderus was signed and decided to go at the end of his testimonial season, i kind of think he may have gone in 2009 had it not been his testimonial in 2010.

I remain to be convinced that Leeds really wanted Diskin at all, or Donald for that matter.

Booing a player who should be remembered as a club legend and left on decent terms is a fairly big deal IMO.

Just out of interest, which other game(s) are you referring to? Can't think off the top of my head. We haven't been in touching distance of most games by that stage!

He's referring to Wigan at home.

Wouldn't you want to jump a sinking ship? You can't blame him.

I'm glad we learned from the wigan game. With less than a minute to go, we couldn't stop them marching downfield to score and level the game. Last week proved we are better than that now.

Ah, the game saving penalty concession which stopped Wigan walking over our line on the next tackle. That really is clutching at straws to make a point - don't often agree with Jeff but it does sound quite "agendaish!"

I agree with both of them, but I hope that people don't tar all Leeds fans with the same brush. 99.9% showed respect to people who have given their lives, the few ar$eholes that didn't should be banned.

Disko had a good game tonight, and even if there were a couple of controversial moments, I'd hope that most of you wouldn't boo.

I will never boo JP, and there are still a few fans who will chant Judas at him, but for the service he gave the Bulls, I'll always applaud him.

Maybe it's the fact he went to Bradford, if he'd gone elsewhere people wouldn't bat an eyelid, go to your fierce rivals and some people can't take it.