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| Quote ="ArthurClues"It was a 3 and a half year contract, I think.'"
It was and he is now a year into it.
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"The club is in the entertainment business - something fans seem to forget - this is not life or death its a game meant to be a form of relaxation/deflection for the hum drum of everyday work/home life.
As such the club has done very well to build up the largest social media audience of any rugby club in the world. It needs to use that opportunity to communicate effectively with its customers.
That for me is not a grovelling apology but better information as what is driving these terrible performances and an understanding of Smith's coaching ethos. Smith needs to engage with the clubs customers in explaining how his radical style with in the end yield results. He is a poor communicator at the best of times - out right rude at the worst.
Customers need to a reason to keep spending the money - what good is happening what is over the horizon.
What they don't need is - the only communication they get from the club is buy this new shirt we have released - only the 5th this season.'"
All true.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"since when do contracts mean anything? pardew had a way longer one at Newcastle and got sacked. you only get one years salary as compensation no matter how long you have.
the question is do you trust him to oversee a major recruitment drive and take the club forward.
the answer at the moment is a resounding no'"
This is wrong. If you sack a manager the contract needs to be paid in full (unless it’s GM) if compensation cannot be agreed. If compensation cannot be agreed by both parties then the manager remains on the payroll for the length of his contract
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| Quote ="ant1"Comparing Smith with Powell is pure nonsense. Powell experienced SL coach v inexperienced novice coach who did the job with a Sunday league team.'"
Ill be honest, I still don't rate Powell.
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"This is wrong. If you sack a manager the contract needs to be paid in full (unless it’s GM) if compensation cannot be agreed. If compensation cannot be agreed by both parties then the manager remains on the payroll for the length of his contract'"
Under Uk employment law anybody can be sacked within their first 2 years of employment. Uk workers have ltd rights for first 2 years. GH could sack smith tomorrow due to under performance with as little as one weeks notice, maybe a month at best, Smith would not have a leg to stand on.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Under Uk employment law anybody can be sacked within their first 2 years of employment. Uk workers have ltd rights for first 2 years. GH could sack smith tomorrow due to under performance with as little as one weeks notice, maybe a month at best, Smith would not have a leg to stand on.'"
He could you’re right, but then we’d end up with Dave Hockaday as coach…
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| only if a cokehead was in charge....
maybe I'm not a liar after all
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| Quote ="YosemiteSam"I didn't compare the two coaches. I likened the situation we find ourselves in to that faced by Wire last season. Them pulling the trigger would have clearly meant a very different season this year. Their Board backed their appointment decision. Will ours do the same? To not do so would have wide reaching implications right to the top of the club.
As for nonsense - you mean you disagree with me, which is fine. It's an opinion forum after all.'"
We really need to stop using Warrington and Powell as a comparison benchmark.
Neither of them win anything!
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| Quote ="Simmo71"We really need to stop using Warrington and Powell as a comparison benchmark.
Neither of them win anything!'"
Both are having a markedly better season than last. I'm not comparing absolute results, rather results relative to last year. Would we not be happy with the same, giving us something to build on?
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Under Uk employment law anybody can be sacked within their first 2 years of employment. Uk workers have ltd rights for first 2 years. GH could sack smith tomorrow due to under performance with as little as one weeks notice, maybe a month at best, Smith would not have a leg to stand on.'"
I think sacking is different to redundancy. For redundancy the role has to go, not the person. Especially if you're on a short term (2 year) contract then as long as you are turning up and doing your job compensation has to be paid unless there is something in the contract that says otherwise.
I hope they don't sack him yet (even though his selection has confused me at times) as I'd like to see his team running put next season. Honestly believe recruitment and salary cap management has been our biggest issue.
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| Quote ="YosemiteSam"Both are having a markedly better season than last. I'm not comparing absolute results, rather results relative to last year. Would we not be happy with the same, giving us something to build on?'"
I'd be very happy if the club invested in the team in the same way Warrington have.
But I'm still not sure whether Smith is the man to coach that team to success.
In the same way that I bet Warrington fans are still not sure Powell is for them.
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| What compensation he gets will depend on the contract he has. His position cannot be made redundant so that is not an option.
The merry go round in football seems to work that managers still get paid on a monthly basis until the end of their contract unless they find alternative employment at a similar level.
A deal could be done to pay a lump sum of a reasonable level to avoid monthly payments for years.
As anybody who employs people will tell you removing people is never cheap.
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"What compensation he gets will depend on the contract he has. His position cannot be made redundant so that is not an option.
The merry go round in football seems to work that managers still get paid on a monthly basis until the end of their contract unless they find alternative employment at a similar level.
A deal could be done to pay a lump sum of a reasonable level to avoid monthly payments for years.
As anybody who employs people will tell you removing people is never cheap.'"
...and who are you replacing Smith with?
We have to keep faith. This is not Chelsea or even Leeds soccer clubs.
Smith needs at least post-OQ being tied up to make his mark - the below all need soprting quick smart.
GH will know this and its bizarre that this board dont either.
Fusitu'a and Sezer - Made of glass
Tetevano - Huge disciplinary and consistency issues (and now a serious health condition - really hope he gets better - forget playing for us - or anyone)
Austin - His heart is in it, but a confidence player
Bentley - Proper rocks and diamonds
Walters - Clearly spat his dummy out
Tindall - Even worse than Olpherts
Donaldson - 110% effort, but average at best
Thats a lot to replace.
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| he is a fraud. he refuses to change how he wants to play even though its clearly failing. and badly.
but yeah, let him spunk all the salary cap, sack him next march and waste yet another season
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| Quote ="krisleeds"...and who are you replacing Smith with?
We have to keep faith. This is not Chelsea or even Leeds soccer clubs.
Smith needs at least post-OQ being tied up to make his mark - the below all need soprting quick smart.
GH will know this and its bizarre that this board dont either.
Fusitu'a and Sezer - Made of glass
Tetevano - Huge disciplinary and consistency issues (and now a serious health condition - really hope he gets better - forget playing for us - or anyone)
Austin - His heart is in it, but a confidence player
Bentley - Proper rocks and diamonds
Walters - Clearly spat his dummy out
Tindall - Even worse than Olpherts
Donaldson - 110% effort, but average at best
Thats a lot to replace.'"
Its a hell of a lot to replace and i can't see it being done this offseason knowing how we operate.
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| We don’t need to replace all these players, or replace them like for like.
3 high quality signings in key positions would transform us IMO, alongside further development among the young lads.
We need some luck. We could do without the level of injuries constantly and we could do with one or two from the Academy really kicking on.
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| Ruan might be able to replace Walters,given how little time he got anyhoo.
For me a fast 1 and an organisation 7 need to come first and then look at another winger or centre and we are sorted,if Bentley stays.
Year after look for a running 6 and if Jarrod/CJ aren't cutting it look at 9.
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| Quote ="Emagdnim13"Ruan might be able to replace Walters,given how little time he got anyhoo.
For me a fast 1 and an organisation 7 need to come first and then look at another winger or centre and we are sorted,if Bentley stays.
Year after look for a running 6 and if Jarrod/CJ aren't cutting it look at 9.'"
Looking at the Aussie press it does look as if Brooks might be running out of road in terms of potential NRL suitors. It's quite possible he'll stay with Wests, but if he does head to the Northern Hemisphere GH needs to pull the stops out. We've been beaten to the punch by other SL teams on a consistent basis over the last decade, and it needs to stop.
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| Serious question, who has RS actually signed. I know plenty in here are unhappy but what is the total he has spent? How much has he had his hands tied behind his back in terms of being able to spend and who could he have bought if he wasn't?
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| I really struggle with Smith he's like the riddler "quote"There’s talent there, a few weeks ago we had some monumental performances. You don’t become a bad team, but we were a bad team [against Trinity. We’ve got it in us to play much better.” Are we a bad team or not? The guy is on a different planet and is making himself look daft.
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| Quote ="LeedsLurch"Serious question, who has RS actually signed. I know plenty in here are unhappy but what is the total he has spent? How much has he had his hands tied behind his back in terms of being able to spend and who could he have bought if he wasn't?'"
forget who he has signed. it's how he coaches. he could have better players it wouldn't matter. how he wants to play is ridiculous. it doesn't work but he knows no other way and stubbornly keeps making the same wrong decisions
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| Quote ="LeedsLurch"Serious question, who has RS actually signed. I know plenty in here are unhappy but what is the total he has spent? How much has he had his hands tied behind his back in terms of being able to spend and who could he have bought if he wasn't?'"
God knows who is making the decisions or has in last 3/4 years, sinfield, agar, GH , smith but we seem to be in a mess and it’s getting worse not better IMO as below indicates. He’s signed 4 players who can currently play at SL level but we’ve lost a lot more.
I can only guess we are still paying some of the players who have left ? I fear we have also recruited as much deadwood as we have exited.
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Jack Walker
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It does not add up to me. I may have forgotten someone.
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| The team has no ability to sort problems in game.
We also have very few capable of pulling out game changing moments which means we lose more tight games than we should. Who've we got? Austin? Does his share but the lack of individual threat elsewhere means he's a marked man. Newman? Rarely fit and often kept quiet when he makes the field. Beyond that?
We need a McGuire, a Burrow, a Webb. Currently we don't even have a Dwyer.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"The team has no ability to sort problems in game.
We also have very few capable of pulling out game changing moments which means we lose more tight games than we should. Who've we got? Austin? Does his share but the lack of individual threat elsewhere means he's a marked man. Newman? Rarely fit and often kept quiet when he makes the field. Beyond that?
We need a McGuire, a Burrow, a Webb. Currently we don't even have a Dwyer.'"
Newman is a massive loss, he won us the game v Wigan with sheer brilliance at key times and the team then got on a roll, we have nobody else in the team who has is game breaking ability and that tells you all you need to know about recent recruitment. A lot of the signings made by Smith have one eye on tomorrow but we're seriously lacking in the today.
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| The team has no leadership on the field. Sinfield was respected by all his peers and when he led the team followed. There were plenty of times when things weren't going according to plan but they managed to turn things around - this team just crumbled.
It did help the golden generation that they had an inner belief they could beat anybody due to quality and belief available. This team has no cohesion and seemingly no respect for each other - they don't play as a team.
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