Briscoe's biggest strength (pun only a bit intended) IMO, even when he's in try scoring form, is what he offers us bringing the ball out of defence. Handley doesn't at this point have the kind of raw power that Briscoe and Hall have (lots of filling out to do yet) and doesn't offer the same threat when we have the ball in our own 30m area.

I think Handley is probably ahead of where we expected him to be at the start of the season. He's had some good experience coming through so I think he and the management will see that as a bonus. Lets not burn the kid out, bring back Hall and Briscoe when ready

Although I am not disagreeing Hall and Briscoe be brought back when available I do wish the excuse of replacing Handley because he is a 'kid' would not be used. He's 19 isn't he?? 16 or 17...yes a 'kid' but by 19 surely not?

Yeah he's still a kid at 19. He hasn't developed physically and very few have by the age of 19.

Clearly I must be going to a different match to you, but my season ticket does say Carnegie Stand - It must be my eyesight!!!
Given all the pre season hype about him before he joined I personally feel he has been the biggest delivery failure since Smith came back from kick & clap. I even feel his younger brother has more potential.

Good job we all can and do have different views

Luke Briscoe won't make a Super League player as long as he has a hole in his backside, IMO.

He's neither Arthur nor Martha - not quick or skilful enough to play in the backs, not big enough to play in the forwards. Might do a job somewhere as a bench hooker for 20-25 minutes a game, but that would be it.

I am not sure what preseason of 2014, has to do with what has happened in 2015, which is what we were referring to.

I am in the Carnegie stand, and luckily I haven't seen anyone else at all criticize Briscoe in anyway this year, as most can see just how damn good he was for us before his injury.

It sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder for some reason. There is no sane reason to say his brother has more potential.

Interesting because without exception everyone where I sit (within earshot) thinks Briscoe is a waste of space and we do better when he is not on the pitch.

His brother, Luke appeared to have more enthusiasm when he played, in my opinion. But on the basis of "having a chip on my shoulder" it appears that some people on here are not entitled to have an opinion.

I also think BJB was a better prospect than Briscoe but I may not be allowed to say that either

You can say what you want, there is no law against it, but you get challenged when it sounds ridiculous.

I sit in the seats, and sorry but I don't believe you that there is anyone else saying that about him. He was clearly one of our top three players in the early season.

Had you said it last season, then fair enough, but you specifically stated this season. A big critic of him, IMO unnecessarily, last season was Sal Paradise, and I bet he would state this year Briscoe has been well up there.

Briscoe has been superb at the start of both his seasons with Leeds, and although he had a very average 2nd half of last season he's still one of the best backs in this country with pace, power, and a handy offload, and to me it's clear we've missed him badly since he's been out, same goes for Hall.

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, but in mine BJB is a level down on Briscoe in all round ability and although a decent and handy utility fill in player to have around, he was a tad over rated by some Leeds fans.

Hall hoping to be back for the Huddersfield cup game, so that should free up Watkins to move back into the centre.

Briscoe' been excellent this year. I'm prepared to accept lots of varying opinions on players but to say Briscoe is "a waste of space" is just ted.

I agree. He is a class winger. Strong returning the ball and a good finisher. He isn't a bad centre either.

I agree and I think its to do with having a certain affinity for academy lads. If Briscoe had come through our academy and we shunted him out of the first team in favour of signing BJB from another SL team they'd be a lot more disapproving voices then the scenario that did happen.

I've heard quite a bit about how Briscoe fell away and didn't perform well in the 2nd half of the season in 2014 and this is held against him, whilst that is true about his showings.....none of our first choice players really covered themselves in glory in that 2nd half either. I think only Ablett maintained a good level of consistency throughout the year.

Based on nothing more than a preseason game he looked to have great potential in the centre.

I watched some of the 2012 GF today. If you can't recall check out the size of Watkins & Hardaker. If Ash bulks like they have he will be tough to stop.

Spot on. Briscoe is, and always has been, both a better player than BJB and a better prospect (he's actually younger!!).

It reminds me of Senior. As a high profile signing half the southstand were on his back for the first 18m of him being at Leeds. And I shan't even mention the number of people on here who used to preach how JP was a SR who would never make it as a prop

He will. Although to me he bears more of a physical resemblance to BJB. Who didn't.

Thought Handley did well last night. Was left facing 2 or 3 attackers a few times but did exactly the right thing and got in the way.

Also looked good with the ball.

Thought Keinhorst did well too.

Thought he was poor handling that high kick for the try, but then again I thought Watkins made a bigger mess of the other one for the drop out I think. So I don't think it was down to experience, but I do think he should have done better.

Maybe a little harsh on Handley for that although, i see where you are coming from and he probably should have knocked it dead, but great take from their wing for the try. Most things he did and indeed has done since coming in though, have been of a high standard and he has performed far and away above what most would have expected .He has reason to be very pleased with the start he has made to first team football

Wing is a position where you will be exposed and individually singled out and tested.

Ash put in another good performance. More ticks than crosses.

The McGillivray try was a carbon copy of ones you see every week.

The defender is stationary under the high ball, the attacker has run on him and gets slightly higher. It's a well placed kick matched with a well timed run. To lay any of the blame at Handley's door completely ignores the fact there was nothing much else he could have done to improve his chances.

Sometimes you have time to take a couple of steps back then come forward again and jump. I don't think on this occasion that he did.

I think you might need to watch it again Andy. There is a few points flawed there.

He wasn't stationary for a start, he actually jumped for the ball. The scorer didn't jump higher, he was behind Handley and caught the ball after Handley had touched it. The issue was Handley misjudged it, was too far forward, and proceeded to tip the ball in the air backwards to McGillvray.

You are spot on with your last sentence, and on that this is where he could have done something more to improve his chances. You are also correct to say it was a well placed kick, but one where had Handley positioned himself correct he would have taken all day long.