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| Quote ="Once were Loiners"To be fair Wane's also stuck with the perennial problem of not enough class players. While some of those mentioned didn't play well, there aren't exactly a horde of obviously better players not getting a game. On the plus side Welsby, Farnworth and Young look good and are young enough to be around for years. We desperately need a halfback who can kick, and our hooker needs to be better.
We had no decent kicking game, and as ever we seem to be incapable of playing without a ridiculous number of dumb mistakes. Not to mention our defence wasn't great. We would probably have been really exposed by Aus in the final, as I expect Samoa will be.
Speaks volumes that Newman if he was fit would be the only Leeds player seriously in the running for a spot in the England starting side. Oledzki might have done marginally better than some of the forwards Wane picked, but maybe not, and he certainly wouldn't be an automatic pick.'"
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| Quote ="krisleeds"Welsby is a flat track bully. I'd have Myler before him every day.
The new Leon Pryce - World Hide and Seek Champion.'"
Welsby was terrible. Jackson Hastings wanted to play for England, the fact Wane refused to pick him and went with Welsby at stand off should cost Wane the England job. If you play Hastings in place of Welsby England would be in the World Cup Final. |
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I think the criticism of Welsby is abit harsh.
Out of position and first international game against opposition that didn't just self Implode.
Wane made some bad calls on the teams and "tactics" for sure but the bat plays in golden point were pure panic from those players.
The one from Whitehead,given his experience was horrible.
We need more international games against teams like Aus,NZ,Samoa. We need higher intensity games in SL either via less teams and better cap system or some other medium.
We also need the RFL to get games reffed like internationals and not a replay of the poor bans this year.
We have some great young players,we need to start building around them,not using players who are too old.
Samoa did fantastic though. Yellow card and lost two to HIA. Worked hard for each other and targeted our players weaknesses
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I think there were some dubious team selections.. It seemed to be a typical SW team.. try and bully the opposition, then capitalise on mistakes. Having MM at hooker was a mistake as he gives zero go forward unlike a Roby type player would.. Tomkins as full back i don;t think was the right choice. Pretty average. We just came up with dumb plays. Probably having 3 easy pook games pkus an easy(ish) quarter final did us no favours. It was difficult to see where the team actually was in regards to performance levels.. In the semi, the lack of ball that went through hands was shocking and the wingers were starved of ball. Not sure how KW didn;t manage to ground the ball. Maybe just a great defensive play. Small margins at the end of the day. We had chances, just failed to excute them well enough.
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| Quote ="Emagdnim13"I think the criticism of Welsby is abit harsh.
Out of position and first international game against opposition that didn't just self Implode.
Wane made some bad calls on the teams and "tactics" for sure but the bat plays in golden point were pure panic from those players.
The one from Whitehead,given his experience was horrible.
We need more international games against teams like Aus,NZ,Samoa. We need higher intensity games in SL either via less teams and better cap system or some other medium.
We also need the RFL to get games reffed like internationals and not a replay of the poor bans this year.
We have some great young players,we need to start building around them,not using players who are too old.
Samoa did fantastic though. Yellow card and lost two to HIA. Worked hard for each other and targeted our players weaknesses'"
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The bat plays come from a coach who doesn't reflect composure hence the players not dealing with pressure either.
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Some pretty knee jerk reactions on here and some spot on reactions too. We paid for some lapses in concentration and some unforced errors. We lost in golden point extra time so it wasn't as if England were outclassed so perhaps a bit of perspective is needed?
Some selections were down to the fact that there was nobody else available. McIlorum would be nowhere near the side if Roby was still available. If Hodgson was fit he'd probably be in front of him too. Watkins had an absolute mare but would he be in the side if Newman had been fit? Would Hill have been in if Walmsley was fit? On Hill I thought he had a decent world cup and was better than Oledzki who will improve I'm sure.
Welsby is only young and going to be a top player. I think his on field persona can rile non Saints fans but as a neutral he gets in my England 13 every day of the week.
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I think the perspective/context may be a bit clearer next week Sam when Aus (in my opinion) will blow that samoa side off the park and we'll see just how far off we are (still). Fair enough if they were outstanding, but they weren't, and we were poor.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Some pretty knee jerk reactions on here and some spot on reactions too. We paid for some lapses in concentration and some unforced errors. We lost in golden point extra time so it wasn't as if England were outclassed so perhaps a bit of perspective is needed?
Some selections were down to the fact that there was nobody else available. McIlorum would be nowhere near the side if Roby was still available. If Hodgson was fit he'd probably be in front of him too. Watkins had an absolute mare but would he be in the side if Newman had been fit? Would Hill have been in if Walmsley was fit? On Hill I thought he had a decent world cup and was better than Oledzki who will improve I'm sure.
Welsby is only young and going to be a top player. I think his on field persona can rile non Saints fans but as a neutral he gets in my England 13 every day of the week.'"
Agree with a lot of that you`ve said.
Wrt Welsby I would have him in my starting 13 but at FB in place of Tomkins and possibly Sneyd alongside Williams in the halves which is harsh om Tomkins I know.
Hill I disagreed with at the start but has been decent. Cooper for me was always the wrong selection.
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Australia Power Into Womens Final
It was a Down Under derby at York's LNER Stadium as the women's World Cup semi-finals got underway this evening: Australia's Jilleroos taking on the Papua New Guinea Orchids.
Australian captain Ali Brigginshaw warned her team not to underestimate the opposition, many of whom play in the NRLW as they run out for the first time in a World Cup semi. The Jilleroos, on the other hand, have their sights on lifting the Cup for the third time in a row at Old Trafford next week.
A win – and a trip to Manchester – for the Orchids would continue a history-making series: their first ever World Cup win came in the opening round of this tournament, when they beat Canada's Ravens.
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Australia Power Into Womens Final
It was a Down Under derby at York's LNER Stadium as the women's World Cup semi-finals got underway this evening: Australia's Jilleroos taking on the Papua New Guinea Orchids.
Australian captain Ali Brigginshaw warned her team not to underestimate the opposition, many of whom play in the NRLW as they run out for the first time in a World Cup semi. The Jilleroos, on the other hand, have their sights on lifting the Cup for the third time in a row at Old Trafford next week.
A win – and a trip to Manchester – for the Orchids would continue a history-making series: their first ever World Cup win came in the opening round of this tournament, when they beat Canada's Ravens.
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New Zealand Ferns Final Bound As English Hearts Are Broken Again
With an Old Trafford World Cup Final against Australia awaiting the winners of tonight’s game between England and New Zealand, both sides came into the match knowing that as well as getting the win they needed to send a clear message to the Jillaroos that they would be in for a competitive competition finale.
England had been installed as slight favourites by the bookies as they were handicapped by two points on the coupon, but there was very little to choose between the sides ranked second and third in the world.
A nation hoped that the women could go one better than the men, who exited their competition at the same stage on Saturday, and reach their first ever World Cup Final.
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With an Old Trafford World Cup Final against Australia awaiting the winners of tonight’s game between England and New Zealand, both sides came into the match knowing that as well as getting the win they needed to send a clear message to the Jillaroos that they would be in for a competitive competition finale.
England had been installed as slight favourites by the bookies as they were handicapped by two points on the coupon, but there was very little to choose between the sides ranked second and third in the world.
A nation hoped that the women could go one better than the men, who exited their competition at the same stage on Saturday, and reach their first ever World Cup Final.
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| Quote ="chapylad"Agree with a lot of that you`ve said.
Wrt Welsby I would have him in my starting 13 but at FB in place of Tomkins and possibly Sneyd alongside Williams in the halves which is harsh om Tomkins I know.
Hill I disagreed with at the start but has been decent. Cooper for me was always the wrong selection.
Other than that not many other players would have got in that were available.'"
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"We have enough time before the next World Cup or even next year to be fair, for some new players to force their way in. I expect this will/should be the last time we will see some of that squad in an England shirt.'"
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"Agree with this.
We have enough time before the next World Cup or even next year to be fair, for some new players to force their way in. I expect this will/should be the last time we will see some of that squad in an England shirt.'"
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Some decent players to grow into the shirt, and some who missed the tournament like Lomax and Newman. We'll still be well behind Aus though. A few better better players on Saturday would have go us through, but wouldn't have made a dent on Australia
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Since we've not beaten Australia in a series for over 50 years I'd suggest that it might be worth managing our expectations there. There's no reason why we can't continue to compete on a level playing field with NZ, Samoa and Tonga.
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England Beat France in Nail-biting Wheelchair World Cup Final
The best two sides in the Wheelchair World Cup had mad it to the final for an eagerly anticipated showdown at Manchester Central in front of a sell-out crowd as England took on the old enemy France for the games ultimate prize.
The top two rated sides met for the eighteenth time, France with the lion share of the victories but England having won the last meeting between the two in June of this year in a friendly match. The bookies couldn´t choose between the two sides, offering both at 10/11. France and England have faced of in the two previous World Cup finals, France winning on both occasions by narrow margins and looking for three in a row.
The atmosphere was electric, the stage was set for a thriller, the home nations only hope of a trophy at the end of an exceptional jamboree of rugby league.
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England Beat France in Nail-biting Wheelchair World Cup Final
The best two sides in the Wheelchair World Cup had mad it to the final for an eagerly anticipated showdown at Manchester Central in front of a sell-out crowd as England took on the old enemy France for the games ultimate prize.
The top two rated sides met for the eighteenth time, France with the lion share of the victories but England having won the last meeting between the two in June of this year in a friendly match. The bookies couldn´t choose between the two sides, offering both at 10/11. France and England have faced of in the two previous World Cup finals, France winning on both occasions by narrow margins and looking for three in a row.
The atmosphere was electric, the stage was set for a thriller, the home nations only hope of a trophy at the end of an exceptional jamboree of rugby league.
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fantastic game. was it me or was the French referee cheating all the way through?
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Yep. He seemed to be cheering France at one stage when it looked like they'd score
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Yep. He seemed to be cheering France at one stage when it looked like they'd score'"
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Jillaroos Demolish the Ferns to Win Third Consecutive World Final
The first of the World Cup double header at Old Trafford in Manchester saw a lunchtime kick-off between Australia and New Zealand as New Zealand looked to overcome their narrow two-point loss in the group stages and claim a fourth World title after being defeated by Australia on the last two occasions.
Both sides made changes to their semi-final line-ups, Australia´s being wholesale while the Ferns switched just two of their players who defeated England in the semi-final.
It was a game between the sides ranked as first and second in the World, the bookies favouring a Jillaroos win and the first part of a Saturday afternoon Aussie double, but the Kiwi Ferns would give everything that they had to lift the trophy.
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The first of the World Cup double header at Old Trafford in Manchester saw a lunchtime kick-off between Australia and New Zealand as New Zealand looked to overcome their narrow two-point loss in the group stages and claim a fourth World title after being defeated by Australia on the last two occasions.
Both sides made changes to their semi-final line-ups, Australia´s being wholesale while the Ferns switched just two of their players who defeated England in the semi-final.
It was a game between the sides ranked as first and second in the World, the bookies favouring a Jillaroos win and the first part of a Saturday afternoon Aussie double, but the Kiwi Ferns would give everything that they had to lift the trophy.
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Australia World Champions Again As They Tame Samoa
The final game of a great tournament, the last competitive game of the 2022, season and the World Cup Final pitched the hottest of hot favourites Australia against rank outsiders, underdogs and surprised finalists Samoa.
Australia were unchanged from the side which beat New Zealand in the semi-final while Samoa made a number of enforced and tactical changes as they looked to peak in the most important game of their lives.
Australia had been handicapped by fourteen points on the coupon, but it would be a foolish person who underestimated a Samoan side that was packed full of NRL superstars, all of whom were dedicated and determined to spring one of the biggest rugby league surprises of all time.
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Australia World Champions Again As They Tame Samoa
The final game of a great tournament, the last competitive game of the 2022, season and the World Cup Final pitched the hottest of hot favourites Australia against rank outsiders, underdogs and surprised finalists Samoa.
Australia were unchanged from the side which beat New Zealand in the semi-final while Samoa made a number of enforced and tactical changes as they looked to peak in the most important game of their lives.
Australia had been handicapped by fourteen points on the coupon, but it would be a foolish person who underestimated a Samoan side that was packed full of NRL superstars, all of whom were dedicated and determined to spring one of the biggest rugby league surprises of all time.
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Very disappointing end for England and the fact people can make coherent cases for selecting Sneyd and Ackers in the final sums up our lack of real depth and class.
Shame NZ could not do the Aussies in the semi. It might have given them a rattle to get interested again in test football.
Last time England/ GB played Aussies was 2017 World Cup final. With no game next year, it will be 2024 at the earliest. The gap could end up being longer than that between tests during Second World War. It’s a vey sad state of affairs.
One positive note was the phenomenal efforts once again of Sinfield as he moves closer to a knighthood.
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I went to the final and it was an enjoyable afternoon/evening.
Australia are an incredibly disciplined and ruthless side. They score when they have the chance and they have a really good defensive shape and effort.
One thing that stood out for me from the game is something I have seen a lot of over the last couple of years is the number of defending players in the tackle and if those players are all really having an impact on the tackle. The simple answer is no not all of those players are impacting the tackle. On almost every tackle australia have three players in the tackle, the third player very rarely is making a tackle, rather adding weight and slowing the play the ball down. The defensive line then resets and it becomes rinse and repeat.
Wild idea I know but I think the way we look at flopping needs to be addressed. I actually would prefer a rule that the number of players in the tackle must all stand at marker which would in theory make more space out wide. Overall I just felt the play the ball and ability to create any kind of momentum was stopped and to people not overtly familiar with the rules it does make watching a bit more difficult.
But congrats to australia a very good and disciplined team that I really don’t think England would have got anywhere near.
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