This maybe a minor point...How many times do we handover poession by running it last tackle close to their line. Dumb AF and I wish we'd be cleverer.

Like Ryan Hall

Gutted with that performance. First 20ish good but where was the kicking game? Tindal going into touch big moment momentum wise but thought we didn't look like we could be d after half time. Interesting Wilkins comments about the halves not being up for it before kick off

Just rewatched the first half, tindall should have come in field a bit then tried to take field on the outside but he will learn and its easy to say watching on the tv.

Id be absolutely livid if i was Agar with their first try, we just stood there and let field pick up the ball and run and put it down.

That’s schoolboy stuff.

Although i got the feeling from agars presser he is absolutely livid about a few things.

Just as an aside as This wouldn’t affect the result or anything but how has thaler given powell his try? He’s off side and he knees the ball out of walkers hand?

Do me a favour. Lean forward and stick your leg out behind you. Now look at your shoulder. If you think that it's behind your back foot then I suggest you get down to the doctor's asap as there's something seriously wrong with you!

The ball went backwards off Bibby's arm (otherwise it couldn't have hit his outstretched back foot) so there was no knock on in the first place. The VR got the decision right, albeit for the wrong reason.

Won't dwell on the performance because I think it's pretty much all been said. One thing that really stood out was the importance of speed. Wigan have a player in Field ( they also have another one in French if he ever comes back) who has the ability to win a game in the blink of an eye. We have not addressed this in our recruitment and have compounded it in our retention be extending plodders like Sutcliffe and Briscoe. I was surprised we chose to give Myler another contract - despite his renaissance at Full Back - for exactly this reason. We desperately need a player who can go the length of the field and while we don't have one, we'll be very vulnerable to sides who have. Worth remembering that if Tindall had been playing for Wigan he would have scored that long range try because we wouldn't have had a player to catch him. Speed wins games both in attack and defence. The likes of Burrow, McGuire, Webb and Donald demonstrated this to spectacular effect not so many years ago. The club needs to address this.

What are Donaldson and Thompson in the modern game? Not back rowers or props, at best they might get away with being industrious 13s but we don't need 2 or even 3 of those. We are basically trying to play with 1 prop when the interchanges happen.

You got a whole season of Blake Austin in one game last night, the amazing dummy I cant believe wigan fell for, and him being lazy and not killing that ball from the flukey kick.

As most people have said after last weeks performance its the manner of the defeat that was the biggest concern. We were in control until conceding a fluke try and then mentally completely dropped off. We allowed Wigan to contantly look to offload and failed to dominate in the tackle. Bateman and Farrell both showed more intelligence and aggression than any of our back row options. Oledski clearly not fit and as everyone has said we clearly missing another prop. Hopefully Newman and Fusitua back for Catalans plus I would have O Connor on the bench as his workrate and attitude is first class both of which were lacking by a few in the 2nd half at Wigan

Difficult to disagree with all thats been said. Poor performance from the 25th minute on. We lack cutting edge, we lack speed. We desperately miss Newman.

Our last tackle plays was attrocious last night and far too many missed tackles and offloads allowed. Losing Cam Smith certainly hurt our middle defence.

Austin had moments, Sezer had a poor game for me. Leeming had a couple of nice early scoots but overall was really disappointing, he doesnt miss many tackles but for a middle defender his contact isnt good enough. Mikolaj doesnt look 100% and Walker is gonna need time.

Weve too many non-contributors tho, Sutcliffe, Briscoe, Mellor, Thompson what are they bringing to the table?

That being said. It was a poor performance. We all know we are better than that. It happens from time to time. We need a response and are capable of it.

Fair play to Wigan they fully deserved the win. They are a good defensive team and cut us to ribbons at times also.

Injuries are starting to mount for us already, big worry.

Jeez it was cold last night!!!

Not a kneejerk sack the coach now moment but I really hope we're looking at a successor who knows how to convert pressure into points. While ArthurC's point about pace is spot on, Usain Bolt would struggle to score without a system to put him in space. Really unsure what Long's doing to earn a wage.

Yep, definate try. Thought Liam Moore, once again, had an excellent game. Plenty said this week by Leeds about refs and panels but Liam Moore is an excellent young referee.

Lack of pace is a clear issue. I’m surprised this hasn’t been addressed over past 4-5 years.
If we go 0-3 next week then Wakey game will be must win. I like Agar but I think he did his work, and this was the season to get a new coach in. I’m wondering if he could go upstairs later in season and ? Give Longy a go, maybe look at getting Maggsy back as assistant? I’m not bothered about winning anything this year, we just need to keep building and have an big clear out at end of year (again).
Emphasis on pace.

Mikolaj looks about 60% to me. Maybe it's because I'm getting old, but I can't remember being colder at a match. Despite the result I have been a lot more miserable though. Not quite down there with 10 try Offiah massacre at Central Park.

What the **** was that? Utterly deflating after Warrington Wolves performance. Few walk out of that with credit. What the hell had they been doing in training the last week? That was truly awful. Any ideas anyone to explain that?

Aye it was cold!

I think as fans we probably live too much in the moment, by that I mean we take the latest result snd extrapolate it out over a season.

We were poor wigan were good, might all be different in a few weeks/months time.

Jai field seems to be the greatest player of all time, next week he might have a shocker!


Really big game for us Thursday they need to repay us fans that travelled last night!

Missing 7 of our best players. Remaining players nacked after big effort with 11 men at times last week.
Mik on one leg, Walker thrown back in way too early because Myler out.
My major criticism is we have no quality at centre with Newman out.

It happens sometimes with all sports teams.

In fairness theres not many times in the last year where ive thought they lacked effort, last night though was one of those times.

Think you are 100% wrong, it’s a major point.
In the play off win v Wigan we just got away with it because Wigan offered nothing on attack.
Fast forward to last night and again it was clear the game plan was give them back the ball near the corner, I know the weather was bad but we should be trying to score tries when 10 yards from their line.

Actually I thought for the first 20 minutes we looked very good. Games can turn on the smallest things. If Tindall had cut back inside we might well have got a 2nd try and they might have had one binned. Maybe heads wouldn't have gone down like they did. Maybe, maybe, maybe . . .

Even allowing for Tindall going in touch the collapse shouldn't have been that monumental on that incident.

Apparently it should not have been given. At the end of the sky coverage, Carney said Darryl Powell had told them off Camera, the rule is you can only kick the ball between the knee and toe and you can’t use the heel as Bibby did.

I’d never heard this before but if true we are in a scary world where a Cas fan knows more about the rules than Moore and Thaler put together. God help us.

Are we underestimating how much last week took out of them?

Oh yeah. No resilience shown at all. Do think the cumulative effect of players missing and last weeks draining efforts contributed.